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Post by thomas on Jan 16, 2023 8:26:46 GMT
Stammer states the obvious.......The NHS is broken because there are over 200 trusts each with a highly paid chief exec and board. And they compete with other trusts for resources, including agency staff. The current wasteful gravy train should be dismantled and it should be run as half a dozen regions, less management and better purchasing power......Usual bete noire of mangement. There are 1.3 million NHS employees. There are some 34,000 managers. Some 3% of the payroll. Figures from IoD and CBI shows the proportion of managers is some 11% across business and commerce. And of those in the NHS some 30% of them are medical and clinical staff already - with this management role tagged on to their Job Description. Keir Starmer warns NHS must 'reform or die' as he warns that 'well-meaning reverence' for the health service is blocking vital need for reform He backed sweeping changes to health service if he takes power at next election Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting wants to effectively nationalise GPs Sir Keir told Telegraph 'if we don't get real about reform, the NHS will die', www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11637167/Keir-Starmer-warns-NHS-reform-die-backs-changes-takes-power.htmlThis is not the first time the Tories have made a mess of the NHS, last time they tried to encourage people to go private, They seem to have managed it with the labour parties front bench when you consider Streeting , Rayner , cooper ,and Nandy all admit to using private healthcare.
Say what you will about the tories and other parties , but if there are a bigger bunch of lying hypocrites than new labour in politics , then i have yet to see them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 8:39:51 GMT
Really very funny - hillarious
The Tory supporters are attempting to defend the current appalling mess our NHS is in, which has gradually happened over the 12 years their government have been the overlords, and at the same time they sneer at the main opposition, declaring that "Labour wont fix the problems" ( that our government created ).
You couldn't make this shit up
The leader of the opposition is coming out with some new and fresh ideas concerning our NHS, and the one idea that stands out to me is a proposal to bring GP Practices back in-house, under direct NHS control, and salary General Practicioners as employees of the National Health Service.
Its not just me, but others feel the same way, when you go into Group Practices today, you get the distinct feeling that "they" are in charge, and "you" will do as "they" say, the receptionists seem superior, and "you" are inferior.
Some GP Practices are run as money making excercises, they are private enterprises, and some practices provide as little service as possible for the maximum money possible, with the cost to the tax payer.
Its time to take back control, make GPs work for us, I commend this policy idea to "The People"
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 16, 2023 8:44:42 GMT
The GP idea from Streeting is something that I agree with. If you are going to have GP's acting as gatekeepers who decide what access you can have to NHS services then it's rather odd that they are not actually part of the NHS.
I'm not sure it will make much difference (if any) to the performance of the NHS but it might clear up an anomaly.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 16, 2023 9:05:24 GMT
My medical history and experiences would tell you you're talking out of your arse but that's not unusual. I'll let you into a secret but don't tell anyone. I was admitted to hospital after 6 months of multiple tests, scans and consultations. The surgery was for a simple TURP (look it up) and release within 24 hours; I arrived at 8am and went into the theatre just after 5pm. The surgeon did the operation and a little extra. They had discovered a worrying spot on the kidney that the originally appointed surgeon could have dealt with but instead, I got a junior surgeon who was not allowed to deal with kidney problems. However, in order to make it easier for a more qualified surgeon to access the kidney, he put a stent into the ureter. The stent started to come out and got to the point where piss was running straight out, that was until the stent dropped down still further and completely blocked me. Middle of the night extreme pain and all attempts to insert a catheter failed due to the stent. Hand held scan and then in for emergency surgery, instead of a 24 hour stay it was 11 days and two weeks later back in to have that kidney looked at which turned out to be OK....well sort of. After all that they analysed the bits from the TURP surgery and found I had aggressive bladder cancer pushing its way into the prostate; though it can't infect the prostate with cancer, the danger is it might enter the prostate's blood stream. My prostate was nearer the size of a tennis ball than the usual walnut and described by the scan man as humongous. After various other procedures I had the major op of bladder and prostate removal two months later; it was my choice to have the prostate removed rather than risk any cancer cells being left in there. When it was all over I asked the surgeon how long he thought I'd had the cancer and he replied , "At least 6 months". Over the preceding 18 months I had admitted myself to A & E with high levels of blood in my urine and blockages. The usual solution was the same as my GP, an infection and antibiotics, not looking at my record and actually doing something about it.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 16, 2023 9:07:23 GMT
The GP idea from Streeting is something that I agree with. If you are going to have GP's acting as gatekeepers who decide what access you can have to NHS services then it's rather odd that they are not actually part of the NHS. I'm not sure it will make much difference (if any) to the performance of the NHS but it might clear up an anomaly.My experience of some GPs is they're not well enough qualified to make such decisions.
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Post by see2 on Jan 16, 2023 9:30:06 GMT
See the post above yours with its added information. Where does it mention the PFI fiasco? It may fool you but it doesn't fool others. Gotcha! you are so easy and predictable, you're just a simple minded troll who usually gets things wrong.
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 16, 2023 12:09:43 GMT
It was posted that private heath treatment decreased under Labour 97 , they removed the worthwhile tax relief which forced some subscribers (ie the elderly) to use the NHS meaning that there were even more patients to treat ''free''on less money in the pot . Prior to this tax relief removal those taxpayers paid twice - once for a service they didn't use and once for a private service they did. The tax relief was not a failure, far from it . It released space in the NHS for existing patients I would much sooner you posted facts than opinions. There is a post posted within the last week or two showing the massive improvement in the NHS under NL. I guess you missed it. Edit. Added information; See 5th post down of page 14 this thread for graph showing the improvement in the NHS under NL. That's a basic graph with waiting times according to a lobby group. Nothing to do with improving health outcomes for NHS patients
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 12:47:59 GMT
I would much sooner you posted facts than opinions. There is a post posted within the last week or two showing the massive improvement in the NHS under NL. I guess you missed it. Edit. Added information; See 5th post down of page 14 this thread for graph showing the improvement in the NHS under NL. That's a basic graph with waiting times according to a lobby group. Nothing to do with improving health outcomes for NHS patients Anyone disagreeing with See2 is posting mere opinions, which are naturally wrong if he disagrees with them. As if posting one's opinion on a politics forum is somehow invalid. Anyone agreeing with him though is clearly stating facts. Lol. Have you noticed the same pattern in his assumptions?
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Post by see2 on Jan 16, 2023 16:18:18 GMT
That's a basic graph with waiting times according to a lobby group. Nothing to do with improving health outcomes for NHS patients Anyone disagreeing with See2 is posting mere opinions, which are naturally wrong if he disagrees with them. As if posting one's opinion on a politics forum is somehow invalid. Anyone agreeing with him though is clearly stating facts. Lol. Have you noticed the same pattern in his assumptions? That's three personal attacks, NOTED AND COUNTING.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 16:52:46 GMT
Anyone disagreeing with See2 is posting mere opinions, which are naturally wrong if he disagrees with them. As if posting one's opinion on a politics forum is somehow invalid. Anyone agreeing with him though is clearly stating facts. Lol. Have you noticed the same pattern in his assumptions? That's three personal attacks, NOTED AND COUNTING. I don't care what you are noting and counting. The above was just a description of the way you behave around here. You have made plenty of personal attacks upon me. Why dont you give it a rest? Or are you now going to construe this as a personal attack as well? lol
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Post by zanygame on Jan 16, 2023 17:06:38 GMT
My medical history and experiences would tell you you're talking out of your arse but that's not unusual. I'll take my wife's expertise over your single person experiences any day.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 16, 2023 17:31:39 GMT
I'll take my wife's expertise over your single person experiences any day. Ooooooh, you think I'm the only one to have bad experiences, I'm having one at the moment on a different problem.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 16, 2023 18:17:27 GMT
Even Labour dont trust Starmer...
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Post by Bentley on Jan 16, 2023 18:30:39 GMT
I'll take my wife's expertise over your single person experiences any day. Ooooooh, you think I'm the only one to have bad experiences, I'm having one at the moment on a different problem. I was repeatedly lied to over a period of a year, ignored and encountered breathtaking apathy from NHS staff . I had to chase both the surgeons and the clinic persistently . Even sitting next to a nurse and pretty much refusing to move while she tried to contact the clinical team that was on the upper floor in the same hospital . My son in law had the same problem .
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Post by zanygame on Jan 16, 2023 18:53:15 GMT
I'll take my wife's expertise over your single person experiences any day. Ooooooh, you think I'm the only one to have bad experiences, I'm having one at the moment on a different problem. Loads of people have bad experiences, far more recognise how lucky they were to meet my wife and her colleagues. So many people think they are dealing with robots instead of humans.
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