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Post by jonksy on Jan 15, 2023 20:54:44 GMT
Stammer states the obvious.......The NHS is broken because there are over 200 trusts each with a highly paid chief exec and board. And they compete with other trusts for resources, including agency staff. The current wasteful gravy train should be dismantled and it should be run as half a dozen regions, less management and better purchasing power......Usual bete noire of mangement. There are 1.3 million NHS employees. There are some 34,000 managers. Some 3% of the payroll. Figures from IoD and CBI shows the proportion of managers is some 11% across business and commerce. And of those in the NHS some 30% of them are medical and clinical staff already - with this management role tagged on to their Job Description. Keir Starmer warns NHS must 'reform or die' as he warns that 'well-meaning reverence' for the health service is blocking vital need for reform He backed sweeping changes to health service if he takes power at next election Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting wants to effectively nationalise GPs Sir Keir told Telegraph 'if we don't get real about reform, the NHS will die', www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11637167/Keir-Starmer-warns-NHS-reform-die-backs-changes-takes-power.html |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 15, 2023 22:20:12 GMT
Thatcher deliberately ran the NHS down, (as history shows) she recommended that people should go private and introduced an insidious tax relief in a failed attempt to get people to go private. This is not the first time the Tories have tried to make public bodies so bad people begin to think private companies would be better. In the 80's they cut budgets of national water to the point where the service was woeful. Then privatised it and within 2 years increased water bills by 40% to make them run better. Then pointed to the promised improvements as proof privatisation works. You do come out with the most unmitigated load of old tosh..you seem to actually believe everything you read in the Guardian..  The Water Act 1973 put the onus on Water companies to fund infrastructure improvements through revenue from customers and government borrowing. This policy was followed by the Labour Administration from 1974 to 79. The incoming Thatcher Government saw that more investment was needed so the Water Act 1983 allowed Water companies to borrow from the Commercial markets. In 1989 after it became apparent that sufficient investment was not forthcoming the system was privatised with the existing Government debts written off. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 15, 2023 22:24:10 GMT
Stammer states the obvious.......The NHS is broken because there are over 200 trusts each with a highly paid chief exec and board. And they compete with other trusts for resources, including agency staff. The current wasteful gravy train should be dismantled and it should be run as half a dozen regions, less management and better purchasing power......Usual bete noire of mangement. There are 1.3 million NHS employees. There are some 34,000 managers. Some 3% of the payroll. Figures from IoD and CBI shows the proportion of managers is some 11% across business and commerce. And of those in the NHS some 30% of them are medical and clinical staff already - with this management role tagged on to their Job Description. Keir Starmer warns NHS must 'reform or die' as he warns that 'well-meaning reverence' for the health service is blocking vital need for reform He backed sweeping changes to health service if he takes power at next election Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting wants to effectively nationalise GPs Sir Keir told Telegraph 'if we don't get real about reform, the NHS will die', www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11637167/Keir-Starmer-warns-NHS-reform-die-backs-changes-takes-power.htmlThanks Jonsky. Really interesting stuff, ( especially without all the usual swearing and vitriol. ) Its interesting how the NHS manages to run with only 3% of the budget in management. In my business its nearly 30%. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 15, 2023 22:35:10 GMT
Stammer states the obvious.......The NHS is broken because there are over 200 trusts each with a highly paid chief exec and board. And they compete with other trusts for resources, including agency staff. The current wasteful gravy train should be dismantled and it should be run as half a dozen regions, less management and better purchasing power......Usual bete noire of mangement. There are 1.3 million NHS employees. There are some 34,000 managers. Some 3% of the payroll. Figures from IoD and CBI shows the proportion of managers is some 11% across business and commerce. And of those in the NHS some 30% of them are medical and clinical staff already - with this management role tagged on to their Job Description. Keir Starmer warns NHS must 'reform or die' as he warns that 'well-meaning reverence' for the health service is blocking vital need for reform He backed sweeping changes to health service if he takes power at next election Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting wants to effectively nationalise GPs Sir Keir told Telegraph 'if we don't get real about reform, the NHS will die', www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11637167/Keir-Starmer-warns-NHS-reform-die-backs-changes-takes-power.htmlThis is not the first time the Tories have made a mess of the NHS, last time they tried to encourage people to go private, if they win the next election there will be no stopping them privatising parts of the NHS mostly for ideological reasons, as we head for a two tier health system. It's in their DNA. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 15, 2023 22:48:21 GMT
Thatcher deliberately ran the NHS down, (as history shows) she recommended that people should go private and introduced an insidious tax relief in a failed attempt to get people to go private. It was posted that private heath treatment decreased under Labour 97 , they removed the worthwhile tax relief which forced some subscribers (ie the elderly) to use the NHS meaning that there were even more patients to treat ''free''on less money in the pot . Prior to this tax relief removal those taxpayers paid twice - once for a service they didn't use and once for a private service they did. The tax relief was not a failure, far from it . It released space in the NHS for existing patients |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 15, 2023 22:49:27 GMT
Stammer states the obvious.......The NHS is broken because there are over 200 trusts each with a highly paid chief exec and board. And they compete with other trusts for resources, including agency staff. The current wasteful gravy train should be dismantled and it should be run as half a dozen regions, less management and better purchasing power......Usual bete noire of mangement. There are 1.3 million NHS employees. There are some 34,000 managers. Some 3% of the payroll. Figures from IoD and CBI shows the proportion of managers is some 11% across business and commerce. And of those in the NHS some 30% of them are medical and clinical staff already - with this management role tagged on to their Job Description. Keir Starmer warns NHS must 'reform or die' as he warns that 'well-meaning reverence' for the health service is blocking vital need for reform He backed sweeping changes to health service if he takes power at next election Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting wants to effectively nationalise GPs Sir Keir told Telegraph 'if we don't get real about reform, the NHS will die', www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11637167/Keir-Starmer-warns-NHS-reform-die-backs-changes-takes-power.htmlThis is not the first time the Tories have made a mess of the NHS, last time they tried to encourage people to go private, if they win the next election there will be no stopping them privatising parts of the NHS mostly for ideological reasons, as we head for a two tier health system. It's in their DNA. And what's your DNA? You can't eve see the fuck up that labour made of the NHS the last time they infested No 10. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 15, 2023 22:58:13 GMT
This is not the first time the Tories have made a mess of the NHS, last time they tried to encourage people to go private, if they win the next election there will be no stopping them privatising parts of the NHS mostly for ideological reasons, as we head for a two tier health system. It's in their DNA. And what's your DNA? You can't eve see the fuck up that labour made of the NHS the last time they infested No 10. I know they didn't, and you are unable to prove your nonsense claim, so no change there then. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 15, 2023 23:00:19 GMT
Stammer states the obvious.......The NHS is broken because there are over 200 trusts each with a highly paid chief exec and board. And they compete with other trusts for resources, including agency staff. The current wasteful gravy train should be dismantled and it should be run as half a dozen regions, less management and better purchasing power......Usual bete noire of mangement. There are 1.3 million NHS employees. There are some 34,000 managers. Some 3% of the payroll. Figures from IoD and CBI shows the proportion of managers is some 11% across business and commerce. And of those in the NHS some 30% of them are medical and clinical staff already - with this management role tagged on to their Job Description. Keir Starmer warns NHS must 'reform or die' as he warns that 'well-meaning reverence' for the health service is blocking vital need for reform He backed sweeping changes to health service if he takes power at next election Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting wants to effectively nationalise GPs Sir Keir told Telegraph 'if we don't get real about reform, the NHS will die', www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11637167/Keir-Starmer-warns-NHS-reform-die-backs-changes-takes-power.htmlThanks Jonsky. Really interesting stuff, ( especially without all the usual swearing and vitriol. ) Its interesting how the NHS manages to run with only 3% of the budget in management. In my business its nearly 30%. I think you will find it is far higher than 3% if you take in all the hangars on and supervisors etc Those estimates are just for top managment and I think they are very dubious at the least. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 15, 2023 23:03:33 GMT
Thatcher deliberately ran the NHS down, (as history shows) she recommended that people should go private and introduced an insidious tax relief in a failed attempt to get people to go private. It was posted that private heath treatment decreased under Labour 97 , they removed the worthwhile tax relief which forced some subscribers (ie the elderly) to use the NHS meaning that there were even more patients to treat ''free''on less money in the pot . Prior to this tax relief removal those taxpayers paid twice - once for a service they didn't use and once for a private service they did. The tax relief was not a failure, far from it . It released space in the NHS for existing patients I would much sooner you posted facts than opinions. There is a post posted within the last week or two showing the massive improvement in the NHS under NL. I guess you missed it. Edit. Added information; See 5th post down of page 14 this thread for graph showing the improvement in the NHS under NL. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 15, 2023 23:03:45 GMT
And what's your DNA? You can't eve see the fuck up that labour made of the NHS the last time they infested No 10. , so no change there then. Its been proven to you a dozen times or more by other posters. And that is why I find your DNA dubious or even mythical. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 15, 2023 23:14:58 GMT
I know they didn't, and you are unable to prove your nonsense claim, so no change there then. Its been proven to you a dozen times or more by other posters. And that is why I find your DNA dubious or even mythical. See the post above yours with its added information. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 15, 2023 23:35:40 GMT
Its been proven to you a dozen times or more by other posters. And that is why I find your DNA dubious or even mythical. See the post above yours with its added information. Where does it mention the PFI fiasco? It may fool you but it doesn't fool others. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 7:18:45 GMT
To be fair to New Labour, they cannot possibly do a worst job than the Tories when it comes to the NHS.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 16, 2023 7:34:14 GMT
Thanks Jonsky. Really interesting stuff, ( especially without all the usual swearing and vitriol. ) Its interesting how the NHS manages to run with only 3% of the budget in management. In my business its nearly 30%. I think you will find it is far higher than 3% if you take in all the hangars on and supervisors etc Those estimates are just for top managment and I think they are very dubious at the least. I would be amazed if it wasn't. Particularly with all the over zealous rules public bodies insist on. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 16, 2023 8:21:02 GMT
My wife was a part of a specialist neurological team from 1984 to 2009 and I have to say there are parts of your story which you've misunderstood. There was always room to bump routine cases for urgent ones. Loads of times she worked till the early hours for cases you describe. Blame your doctor for missing the cancer by all means, it does happen, a fast growing cancer can go from almost undetectable to dangerous in 10 days, so if you presented no other symptoms of cancer they might miss it. The shortage of blood would be the same public or private both share the same source. My wife says the whole physio story is nonsense considering what you had. Just saying. My medical history and experiences would tell you you're talking out of your arse but that's not unusual.  |
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