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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2023 15:30:04 GMT
Is this the remainers tails up , with starmer leading in the polls , and now guy verhofstadt triumphantly parroting this on twitter , could England be getting prepared to be humiliatingly dragged bak into the EU behind the bike sheds?
Guy Verhofstadt @guyverhofstadt Exactly 50 years after its first entry in the European union, a nearly two thirds majority of citizens in the UK want a new referendum to rejoin !
Brexit poll: Two-thirds of Britons now support future referendum on rejoining the EU
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 15:41:03 GMT
Whatever happens, it will be via mandate only, by the people, and my own observation on this is that many can now see what Brexit has meant, and what it has resulted in, which is why many who voted Leave now see we are worse off, and that doing business, even within the British Isles is now more complicated and choked up with red tape.
The other "influencer" of course is that the younger generation are overwhelmingly pro European, and we are now approaching 7 years since that referendum, slowly the younger people are moving into the ascendancy.
I always predicted that sooner or later the UK will eventualy rejoin the European family, because its just common sense.
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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2023 15:42:24 GMT
When someone shows you who they are believe them ......
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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2023 15:47:21 GMT
Whatever happens, it will be via mandate only, by the people, and my own observation on this is that many can now see what Brexit has meant, and what it has resulted in, which is why many who voted Leave now see we are worse off, and that doing business, even within the British Isles is now more complicated and choked up with red tape. The other "influencer" of course is that the younger generation are overwhelmingly pro European, and we are now approaching 7 years since that referendum, slowly the younger people are moving into the ascendancy. I always predicted that sooner or later the UK will eventualy rejoin the European family, because its just common sense. You could be right, but without a doubt it will be an international global humiliation for the uk , especially England. The cries will ring out across the football stadiums at international games no surrender to the EU. Foreign diplomats will mock london , saying we will speak to your bosses in brussels rather than the monkeys in london.
Ive said for many years now all piss taking aside , the uk is doomed one way or the othr. If it doesnt split up , england along with scotland will be nothing more than a region of north west EU , part of schengen , Euro eventually in place of the falling GBP , european military , so on and so forth.
Theres no going back to being the difficult child with british exceptions for london , if you sign back in , you are back in on thier terms.
The question is , who is up for it and who is not? Personally i think starmer is going to start a binfire in the uk with his clear and total lies over EU membership. We will wait and see.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 2, 2023 15:47:41 GMT
When we rejoin , maybe we will get the chance to migrate to Eastern Europe and stagnate their wages / working conditions
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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2023 15:49:33 GMT
When we rejoin , maybe we will get the chance to migrate to Eastern Europe and stagnate their wages / working conditions plenty vacancies in Ukraine ....................................when they join of course. Just need to watch out for little things like russian missles and bullets flying left right and centre.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 2, 2023 15:50:04 GMT
It's becoming increasingly hard to see any of the benefits of Brexit, whether you voted leave or remain, and that is becoming clear to everyone. Some people will always remain aligned to the vision of Brexit that they thought that they had because they have become too invested in it (a few examples on this forum), but yet noone can actually claim that we are better off in any way, hence the loss of support even amongst Brexiteers. The last paragraph in that article from the government spokesman is a clear lie. Not even propaganda, but a downright lie. They must think that the public are stupid.
I don't see us becoming full EU members yet, but I can see us becoming members of the single market, as it has become quite clear that leaving that has been immensely damaging and the government has no plan to overcome this.
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Post by totheleft3 on Jan 2, 2023 15:53:17 GMT
I think people are realising that Brexit has been poor for Britain , They had there Medicine and found it to bitter to palette.
Would starmer lead us back into the EU I don't think so its still a poison chalese
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 2, 2023 15:53:58 GMT
No they don't lol
It's the remoaners wishful thinking.
If the truth be known if we had another referendum there would be far more people voting to leave.
Now we've seen the EU in their true colours, it's a eyeopener.
Absolute contempt for the UK people, holding us to ransom with the GFA, and trying to destroy relationships between the people of Ireland and the UK peace agreement, there is no length's they will go to even jeopardizing the GFA so they can self serve themselves, they loath England/UK, we were just useful idiots to them.
Talking of useful idiots, they still have Starmer, Sturgeon and Ed Davy, and let's face it you can't get any bigger idiots than them.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 2, 2023 15:57:51 GMT
When we rejoin , maybe we will get the chance to migrate to Eastern Europe and stagnate their wages / working conditions plenty vacancies in Ukraine ....................................when they join of course. Just need to watch out for little things like russian missles and bullets flying left right and centre. How do you say ‘ smoke break’ in Ukrainianese? 😁
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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2023 16:00:45 GMT
It's becoming increasingly hard to see any of the benefits of Brexit, whether you voted leave or remain, and that is becoming clear to everyone. Some people will always remain aligned to the vision of Brexit that they thought that they had because they have become too invested in it (a few examples on this forum), but yet noone can actually claim that we are better off in any way, hence the loss of support even amongst Brexiteers. The last paragraph in that article from the government spokesman is a clear lie. Not even propaganda, but a downright lie. They must think that the public are stupid. I don't see us becoming full EU members yet, but I can see us becoming members of the single market, as it has become quite clear that leaving that has been immensely damaging and the government has no plan to overcome this. with the greatest respect andrew , i have been hearing brexiters are losing support for the last 8 years , and in that time , they have won every election and referendum held .
Remember when certain folks in england were talking of the silent majority who were going to sweep to power in 2019 and stop brexit? Jo swinson the pm in waiting?
Full EU membership is a red herring and we both know it. The question is will the majority find a starmer government signing the uk back into the EU along all the old red lines for exmaple the four freedoms custom union and all the rest for the greater good in labours opinion acceptable?
Im not sure. You need to part ways with personal wishfull thinking and embrace reality.
Starmer should come clean and be honest , but he wont ,the weasal of a man.
Secret membership , or public announcement , either way it will be international humiliation for london.
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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2023 16:01:05 GMT
plenty vacancies in Ukraine ....................................when they join of course. Just need to watch out for little things like russian missles and bullets flying left right and centre. How do you say ‘ smoke break’ in Ukrainianese? 😁 thats bad.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 2, 2023 16:03:41 GMT
plenty vacancies in Ukraine ....................................when they join of course. Just need to watch out for little things like russian missles and bullets flying left right and centre. How do you say ‘ smoke break’ in Ukrainianese? 😁 /sməuk/ /breik/
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 2, 2023 16:04:56 GMT
If the truth be known if we had another referendum there would be far more people voting to leave. Have you seen evidence of this, or have you just made this up?
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Post by Bentley on Jan 2, 2023 16:05:03 GMT
How do you say ‘ smoke break’ in Ukrainianese? 😁 /sməuk/ /breik/ That’s just saying smoke break in English but lighting the fag while you are saying it ..about right then ..👍
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