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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 15:30:46 GMT
Much of that lies in the waters off Shetland, who have unequivocally stated that in the unlikely case of Scottish independence they intend to remain a Crown Dependency of the United Kingdom, (understandably). Another complication not addressed by the SNP. sigh#
International maritime law (specifically the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, or UNCLOS, which is signed and ratified by the UK) is extremely clear on what the situation would be with regard to Shetland and Orkney’s ownership of North Sea Oil in the context of an independent Scotland – it wouldn’t have any.
Under UNCLOS III, the islands would be regarded as an “enclave” residing wholly within Scotland’s “Exclusive Economic Zone” (see the paragraph “Continental shelf”), and as such would only have the right to resources within a 12-mile radius of their coastline – of which, in terms of oil, there are basically none.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 1, 2023 15:31:38 GMT
putting barriers between Scotland and England would lead to a 6% reduction on Scotlands GDP per capita. .  Polls show scotland would be more than willing to have a hard border with england to stay in the EU.
According to our recent Panelbase poll, it turns out that a hard border at Berwick and Gretna is a price that Scottish voters are – by a margin of more than two to one – willing to pay to stay in the EU.
Further , Ireland became independent of the uk in 1922. Since joining the old EEC in 1973 , its trade with the uk has doubled , but its trade with the EU is five times greater than its trade with the uk. Im not sure why ireland can be successfull outside the uk , but scotland couldnt ?
Polls can be rigged. The thing you do not take into account is how much of Scotlands exports go to the rest of the UK and how few exports from Scotland go to the EU. The SNP would destroy Scotland so they could destroy the UK. The SNP are idiots, they're so bad they make Labour look reasonable. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 15:32:03 GMT
No idea, nor have I any idea why the Scots voted to remain in the UK. Scotland voted to remain in the uk that was in the EU. Now you are no longer part of our european union , people in scotland want out the uk.
That must be a large blow to you om15 , the fact scotland loves the EU more than the uk.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 1, 2023 15:32:25 GMT
Much of that lies in the waters off Shetland, who have unequivocally stated that in the unlikely case of Scottish independence they intend to remain a Crown Dependency of the United Kingdom, (understandably). Another complication not addressed by the SNP. sigh#
International maritime law (specifically the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, or UNCLOS, which is signed and ratified by the UK) is extremely clear on what the situation would be with regard to Shetland and Orkney’s ownership of North Sea Oil in the context of an independent Scotland – it wouldn’t have any.
Under UNCLOS III, the islands would be regarded as an “enclave” residing wholly within Scotland’s “Exclusive Economic Zone” (see the paragraph “Continental shelf”), and as such would only have the right to resources within a 12-mile radius of their coastline – of which, in terms of oil, there are basically none.
Shetland and Orkney independence from Scotland would change that. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 15:32:56 GMT
Polls show scotland would be more than willing to have a hard border with england to stay in the EU.
According to our recent Panelbase poll, it turns out that a hard border at Berwick and Gretna is a price that Scottish voters are – by a margin of more than two to one – willing to pay to stay in the EU.
Further , Ireland became independent of the uk in 1922. Since joining the old EEC in 1973 , its trade with the uk has doubled , but its trade with the EU is five times greater than its trade with the uk. Im not sure why ireland can be successfull outside the uk , but scotland couldnt ?
Polls can be rigged. come now vinny , is this you back to shooting the messenger when you dont like the message? |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 1, 2023 15:33:20 GMT
No idea, nor have I any idea why the Scots voted to remain in the UK. Scotland voted to remain in the uk that was in the EU. Now you are no longer part of our european union , people in scotland want out the uk. But fewer than the number who voted to leave the UK support the parties for separation, therefore the important polls (elections) show the opposite. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 15:36:54 GMT
sigh#
International maritime law (specifically the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, or UNCLOS, which is signed and ratified by the UK) is extremely clear on what the situation would be with regard to Shetland and Orkney’s ownership of North Sea Oil in the context of an independent Scotland – it wouldn’t have any.
Under UNCLOS III, the islands would be regarded as an “enclave” residing wholly within Scotland’s “Exclusive Economic Zone” (see the paragraph “Continental shelf”), and as such would only have the right to resources within a 12-mile radius of their coastline – of which, in terms of oil, there are basically none.
Shetland and Orkney independence from Scotland would change that. Lets leave the fact no one in shetland or orkney want to be part of the uk , why would it change that? The quote is very clear that the islands would have an enclave in scottish waters.
If your country tried to unilaterally change that , you would be leaving englands interests elsewhere around the world at risk. spain argentina and many other nations could then dispense with clear international law and attack englands interests around the globe.
You arent thinking this through vinny.
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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 15:38:42 GMT
Scotland voted to remain in the uk that was in the EU. Now you are no longer part of our european union , people in scotland want out the uk. But fewer than the number who voted to leave the UK support the parties for separation, therefore the important polls (elections) show the opposite. what polls? examples please? |
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Post by research0it on Jan 1, 2023 15:51:47 GMT
Polls show scotland would be more than willing to have a hard border with england to stay in the EU.
According to our recent Panelbase poll, it turns out that a hard border at Berwick and Gretna is a price that Scottish voters are – by a margin of more than two to one – willing to pay to stay in the EU.
Further , Ireland became independent of the uk in 1922. Since joining the old EEC in 1973 , its trade with the uk has doubled , but its trade with the EU is five times greater than its trade with the uk. Im not sure why ireland can be successfull outside the uk , but scotland couldnt ?
Polls can be rigged. The thing you do not take into account is how much of Scotlands exports go to the rest of the UK and how few exports from Scotland go to the EU. The SNP would destroy Scotland so they could destroy the UK. The SNP are idiots, they're so bad they make Labour look reasonable. Hi vinny You all seem to ignore the point that how good or bad the SNP are and any thoughts they have about independent Scotland, are irrelevant as there will be a completely new administration with their own ideas, should independence happen. |
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Post by om15 on Jan 1, 2023 15:53:06 GMT
The population of the Shetlands quite wisely are ambivalent of the effects of the SNP on their wellbeing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_status_of_Orkney,_Shetland_and_the_Western_Isles#:~:text=Scotland%20as%20a%20whole%20voted,independence%20than%20the%20national%20average. |
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Post by om15 on Jan 1, 2023 16:00:25 GMT
Not at all, if the Scots wish to be ruled by Berlin rather than London I wish them all the best.
Again we see you putting forward a case for independence based on your dislike of the English rather than the positive benefits to Scotland, but good luck to you, go ahead and vote for independence, but don't let your dislike of the English cloud your expectations of future prosperity.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 1, 2023 16:03:44 GMT
Shetland and Orkney independence from Scotland would change that. Lets leave the fact no one in shetland or orkney want to be part of the uk , why would it change that? The quote is very clear that the islands would have an enclave in scottish waters.
If your country tried to unilaterally change that , you would be leaving englands interests elsewhere around the world at risk. spain argentina and many other nations could then dispense with clear international law and attack englands interests around the globe.
You arent thinking this through vinny.
Neither are you. There isn't going to be an indyref2 referendum in our lifetime. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 1, 2023 16:04:17 GMT
But fewer than the number who voted to leave the UK support the parties for separation, therefore the important polls (elections) show the opposite. what polls? examples please? General Election 2019 for starters. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 16:05:00 GMT
The population of the Shetlands quite wisely are ambivalent of the effects of the SNP on their wellbeing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_status_of_Orkney,_Shetland_and_the_Western_Isles#:~:text=Scotland%20as%20a%20whole%20voted,independence%20than%20the%20national%20average. are they ? They are extremely pro european and voted overwhelmingly to remain in the eu in 2016.
Im yet to see any poll that shows them wanting to leave scotland to stay part of little brexit britain om.
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 1, 2023 16:06:03 GMT
Not at all, if the Scots wish to be ruled by Berlin rather than London I wish them all the best. Again we see you putting forward a case for independence based on your dislike of the English rather than the positive benefits to Scotland, but good luck to you, go ahead and vote for independence, but don't let your dislike of the English cloud your expectations of future prosperity. No indeed. One expectation of future prosperity gained by leaving an economically powerful alliance and which has been proven to be a sham, is enough for any generation. |
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