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Post by jaydee on Dec 31, 2022 17:50:23 GMT
I suspect that it does, joint assets like defense and free trade for example. That is probably why the Scots voted overwhelmingly to remain in the UK, you can't say they have not had the chance to separate. Forget the nonsense peddled by the loony leftie SNP retards, it is in the interests of both countries, as is being acknowledged by your electorate, it would be interesting to see what the English electorate thinks. Out of interest, do any of the English members on here feel better for being in a Union with the Scots, or not. Scotland gets 3.4% of defence procurement with 8.4% of the population. There is not one surface warship stationed in Scottish waters. And all the nuclear work is taken south. So stop yapping nonsense. While the subsidy junkies of the SE get 45%. I will leave you to work the maths out on that in your England. That is a short fall of £6 billion a year to the Scots whistling south. .. In terms of free trade. You matey and England voted to make themselves poorer and voted in a disaster that is costing Scotland dearly. In terms of the SNP retards. I notice Unionist retard do not correct anything that is said. On the last indy ref. The decisions were made on the interest of both countries. Particularly as regards to economics. When it was thought that Scotland would use sterling with the BofE acting as lender of last resort. The Scots no longer listen to the liars and retards in England. It is what is in the best interest of Scotland that now counts. And nobody gives a crap what you think. It is always 100% BS and wrong. If you want to understand what the English electorate think. Bring it up on the English forum. Before you start wrecking this thread with your hate filled bile. As you have just done. Which part of Scotland can no longer afford bankrupt England. Do you not get.
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Post by bancroft on Dec 31, 2022 17:57:02 GMT
In bringing forth new industries it might be several years before benefits can be realised so an independent Scotland would likely need a patron to tide them over, might be EU, IMF etc. And how will bankrupt England be funded. When of top of its massive debt. It will have to borrow at a minimum another £100 billion a year, when Scotland goes its merry way. Just to stand still. Rely on the financial sector. As it does now. Oh dear still paying for the last one in 2007. And jings passporting. Britain pays interest on its borrowing as indeed Scotland would need to do, the difference is Britain has a track record of doing it Scotland does not so borrowing costs would likely be higher. Over time that might fall depending on how the independent economy evolves.
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Post by jaydee on Dec 31, 2022 18:13:51 GMT
Hi Om15 As I've said before, you have to make a constitutional choice absent of any analysis of current administrations, looney left or not You do make a valid point about the economies of scale and I would not say that being part of the UK is totally negative or positive. The biggest negative is being tied to a slowly sinking economy that diverts most investment to one part. I do think a future is coming where it will be 2 pounds to the euro or dollar. I know that you asked for a response about how English contributors feel about being in the union, but I'll answer the other way round anyway. I rather like the English and, indeed, have a few close English friends. So if I eventually decide to support independence, a view of England and the English would not form any part of that decision Economy of scale is a misnomer. England on its own would still be the 5th of 6th largest economy in the world. Which clowns believe it to be the Richest. There is a vast difference between the RICHEST and the LARGEST. The Uk is not even in the top ten of the richest countries in Europe. It averages around 14th It rank between 28th and 38th richest in the world. Depending on what version of GDP you use. That is third world. On its own Scotland would be one of the worlds naturally wealthiest nation. Estimated to be around 6th to 12th per GDP. You will be pleased to know you are now a retard. Or did you miss it. www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?t=100&v=67www.edudwar.com/richest-countries-in-europe/
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Post by jaydee on Dec 31, 2022 18:14:42 GMT
And how will bankrupt England be funded. When of top of its massive debt. It will have to borrow at a minimum another £100 billion a year, when Scotland goes its merry way. Just to stand still. Rely on the financial sector. As it does now. Oh dear still paying for the last one in 2007. And jings passporting. Britain pays interest on its borrowing as indeed Scotland would need to do, the difference is Britain has a track record of doing it Scotland does not so borrowing costs would likely be higher. Over time that might fall depending on how the independent economy evolves. Yeh thats why England lost its AAA rating. Standards and Poor say different about Scotland
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Post by bancroft on Dec 31, 2022 19:02:02 GMT
Britain pays interest on its borrowing as indeed Scotland would need to do, the difference is Britain has a track record of doing it Scotland does not so borrowing costs would likely be higher. Over time that might fall depending on how the independent economy evolves. Yeh thats why England lost its AAA rating. Standards and Poor say different about Scotland I would be surprised to see them even comment on Scotland as Scotland is not a state of the UN in its own right.
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Post by om15 on Dec 31, 2022 19:05:18 GMT
Might that be because of the position of the Green Party upon whom the SNP rely on to pursue their agenda?
You are in need of medication.
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Post by thomas on Dec 31, 2022 22:21:16 GMT
I suspect that it does, joint assets like defense and free trade for example. ok but we have been over this argument before. If being in a union for scotland is of vital importance to stuff like joint defense and free trade , why do we need a union with england?
NATO , or military alliances with a potential european defence force is of far more importance , and same goes for free trade with 27 european nations.
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Post by thomas on Dec 31, 2022 22:23:50 GMT
Forget the nonsense peddled by the loony leftie SNP retards, see om this is where you and i normally part company , and shows with respect a complete lack of understanding of scottish independence.
Scot indy isnt about a single party , person , or left or right politics. Its above all that.
You are letting your sentimentality cloud the discussion as ever.
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Post by thomas on Dec 31, 2022 22:40:49 GMT
Britain pays interest on its borrowing as indeed Scotland would need to do, the difference is Britain has a track record of doing it Scotland does not so borrowing costs would likely be higher. Over time that might fall depending on how the independent economy evolves. Yeh thats why England lost its AAA rating. Standards and Poor say different about Scotland dont know if you saw this jaydee....
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 1, 2023 2:15:10 GMT
It's interesting how London is considered the sole bogeyman of Scotland's alleged demise. THINKSCOTLAND concluded a report that in the last 14 years of SNP government it has a record failure in EVERY policy area: thinkscotland.org/2021/04/snp-record-good-bad-report/Always easier to blame the English and play the victim that the Scots play so well. But doesn't really stand up to serious scrutiny. .
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Post by jaydee on Jan 1, 2023 5:12:56 GMT
Might that be because of the position of the Green Party upon whom the SNP rely on to pursue their agenda? You are in need of medication. And there you go again. Completely clueless on what was said to you. Correcting or adding nothing as once again you go wrecking another Scottish thread with your hate filled bile. If you have nothing to add. Then say nothing
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Post by jaydee on Jan 1, 2023 5:16:29 GMT
It's interesting how London is considered the sole bogeyman of Scotland's alleged demise. THINKSCOTLAND concluded a report that in the last 14 years of SNP government it has a record failure in EVERY policy area: thinkscotland.org/2021/04/snp-record-good-bad-report/Always easier to blame the English and play the victim that the Scots play so well. But doesn't really stand up to serious scrutiny. . Who is blaming England. And instead of ranting it. What record of failure in every policy are you on about. With that absolute anti SNP rant defining many retained matters such as pension. Which is the worst in the developed world. Scotland gives its elderly free health care so they do not have to sell there family pile. Plus free dental and bus travel. What does bankrupt England offer. As the wankers in Westminster hold that record. ...There were 3.9 million children living in poverty in England in 2020-21.1 That's 27 per cent of children, or eight in a classroom of 30. And for UK read England. .In Scotland. Funded early learning and childcare is free to parents, but funded by the Scottish Government. You can get up to 1,140 hours of funded early learning and childcare a year (around 30 hours a week in term time) if your child is 3 or 4 years old. Some 2 year olds are also eligible. What does bankrupt England give cpag.org.uk/child-poverty/child-poverty-facts-and-figures#In terms of education . The Scots are the most educated people in Europe. Some 52% of Scots have University qualifications. Thats 8% higher than England. Not to mention. Scotland has four University's in the top 100 in the world. That's more per head than any other country in the world. Not to mention University placement is free. Saving some £14,000 a year. What does bankrupt England offer. Despite the shite being spewed on how the SNP destroyed the education system. The Scottish NHS. Healthcare spending in Scotland is £2,368 per person, while in England it is £2,182. Scotland has 76 GPs per 100,000 people, compared to England with 60 per 100,000 . The number of patients spending over 12 hours in A&E was 0.2 per cent in Scotland, 2 per cent in England. Scottish nurses are the highest paid in the UK. NHS waiting times. 945,072 people waited more than 12 hours in England A&E departments in 2021-22. That’s 48 times larger than the figure for Scotland 19,667. Scottish nurses average pay is £36,631 in England £33,384. In answer to your post. I as a Scottish tax payer can no longer afford to keep subsidy junkies like you because you cannot live within your means. .Now if that is Scotland in a mess. Does not bode well for you. Does it. None of that costs the English tax payer one penny. And since it took power.The Scottish government has underspent every year. The wankers in Westminster have destroyed the economy. Would you care to correct any of that. Figures please.
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Post by research0it on Jan 1, 2023 6:52:48 GMT
It's interesting how London is considered the sole bogeyman of Scotland's alleged demise. THINKSCOTLAND concluded a report that in the last 14 years of SNP government it has a record failure in EVERY policy area: thinkscotland.org/2021/04/snp-record-good-bad-report/Always easier to blame the English and play the victim that the Scots play so well. But doesn't really stand up to serious scrutiny. . Hi buccaneer I don't think that anyone could take my OP as blaming anyone for anything - it was merely pointing out the long term weakness of the uk economic arrangements and how it happened. The English people outside London have suffered even more than Scotland.
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Post by research0it on Jan 1, 2023 7:05:06 GMT
Hi again buccaneer
Oops pressed the wrong button. I also note that the report was largely about big picture stuff.
As I've said before, the devolution settlement was very carefully constructed to prevent scotland being all that different from the UK so if poverty arrangements in the UK is poor, then it'll be poor in Scotland. A little less poor or a little more poor, but still poor.
The SNP has had a mixed record in those 14 years, and no one is saying they're perfect, but that report seems a bit mixed up. The increase in relative and absolute poverty is more the fault of uk austerity policies, for example, than anything the Scottish government has done or could have done. That's a British, not English policy. There are and have been Scots among the uk conservative government who've supported austerity.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 1, 2023 7:54:07 GMT
I suspect that it does, joint assets like defense and free trade for example. ok but we have been over this argument before. If being in a union for scotland is of vital importance to stuff like joint defense and free trade , why do we need a union with england?
NATO , or military alliances with a potential european defence force is of far more importance , and same goes for free trade with 27 european nations. But the vast majority of Scotlands 'foreign' trade is with England. And if you believe all the scenarios put forward by the remain camp during the Brexit debate (gravity model of trade etc), putting barriers between Scotland and England would lead to a 6% reduction on Scotlands GDP per capita. That is of course if you believed all the arguments for staying in the EU..
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