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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 16:06:29 GMT
Again we see you putting forward a case for independence based on your dislike of the English using the quote tags , please could you quote me any post of mine where i display a dislike of the english. If wanting independence from london rule is somehow anti english , then im in good company with billions around the world and 62 nations of the earth. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 16:07:15 GMT
Lets leave the fact no one in shetland or orkney want to be part of the uk , why would it change that? The quote is very clear that the islands would have an enclave in scottish waters.
If your country tried to unilaterally change that , you would be leaving englands interests elsewhere around the world at risk. spain argentina and many other nations could then dispense with clear international law and attack englands interests around the globe.
You arent thinking this through vinny.
There isn't going to be an indyref2 referendum in our lifetime. 62 countires left london rule over the centuries , and the vast vast majority didnt have a referendum to do so.... |
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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 16:10:32 GMT
what polls? examples please? General Election 2019 for starters. the one that the snp alone won in scotland , with 45 % of the vote not to mention the many smaller parties who are pro independence , and labour supporters who support scottish independence...?
and the last poll i saw...
Momentous Panelbase poll is SEVENTH in a row to show a pro-independence majority
Should Scotland be an independent country? (Panelbase / Sunday Times, 12th-16th December 2022)
Yes 52% (+3)
No 48% (-3)
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Post by Vinny on Jan 1, 2023 16:13:55 GMT
What were the other questions asked in the poll ?
Leading questions can sway opinion polls.
This demonstrates how.
They don't mention the first five questions and they publish the result of the last one.
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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 16:15:39 GMT
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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 16:17:05 GMT
What were the other questions asked in the poll ? Leading questions can sway opinion polls. This demonstrates how. They don't mention the first five questions and they publish the result of the last one. all these polls are carried out by reputable polling companies. If you have evidence these are dodgy polls , then please post it. Otherwise we can dismiss your accusation as sour grapes vinny
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Post by om15 on Jan 1, 2023 16:21:06 GMT
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Post by research0it on Jan 1, 2023 16:22:39 GMT
Lets leave the fact no one in shetland or orkney want to be part of the uk , why would it change that? The quote is very clear that the islands would have an enclave in scottish waters.
If your country tried to unilaterally change that , you would be leaving englands interests elsewhere around the world at risk. spain argentina and many other nations could then dispense with clear international law and attack englands interests around the globe.
You arent thinking this through vinny.
Neither are you. There isn't going to be an indyref2 referendum in our lifetime. Hi vinny As I've said, I'm on the fence on the constitution. But I do engage with both sides in order to make up my mind. In the next uk general election, the party that will get the biggest grilling from me, is the labour party as they seem all over the place. Anyway you seem to be confusing something. The half of the country, or so, that wants independence are campaigning for just that. It's not a campaign for a referendum. Which may or may not be the mechanism for doing it, should a settled majority indicate that's what they want. It irritates me somewhat that both sides coalesce along whether there should or should not be a referendum, when they should be campaigning to win hearts and minds. Once that battle is won then the mechanism for doing whatever it is can be agreed. But a referendum is just a mechanism, not an end in itself. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 16:30:46 GMT
My bad. Heres the correct links...
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Post by Vinny on Jan 1, 2023 16:37:53 GMT
1, they're not voting for it in elections and 2, they're in a minority anyway, 3, the referendum has already happened and they lost. Matter settled for a generation. |
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Post by jaydee on Jan 1, 2023 16:39:10 GMT
And what are you. Why do you not correct what I have just said. You are all anti Jock mooth and troosers. With 100% being wrong on everything you have posted about Scotland. Four separate posters have now told you and you still rant havering slastering drivel. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 16:40:41 GMT
see my correct link after oms kind help , but the point im making is the 45 % snp vote , coupled with the labour indy support and the smaller parties mean your 2019 general election example doesnt hold any water.
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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 16:41:15 GMT
Matter settled for a generation. a uk political generation has already passed................. |
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Post by jaydee on Jan 1, 2023 16:59:35 GMT
Much of that lies in the waters off Shetland, who have unequivocally stated that in the unlikely case of Scottish independence they intend to remain a Crown Dependency of the United Kingdom, (understandably). Another complication not addressed by the SNP. No idea, nor have I any idea why the Scots voted to remain in the UK. And who is going vote to stay in the UK. Willie fae 50 the High street. Or what about Mohamed on the corner store. He wants to be part of Pakistan. Or Ying from Sullom Voe Chinese Restaurant who want to be part of China., You do talk some stupid nonsense. Mind you Cornwall And Manchester and Berwick on Tweed want to be part of Scotland. As once more you bring to a new level the meaning of the word imbecile. The waters of Shetland come under the law of Scotland. As does the Shetlands. And the Shetlands did not say that. Unionist arseholes said that. To divert on their lying nonsense. Like Spain would veto Scotland, or the Scots would have to join the Euro. The drivel you keep ranting, and in clueless stupidity actually belief. .And heh. The Shetlands would need a section 30.5 and a half and a wee bit more, part III section 8 order from the Scottish Government . I am fecked if I can understand your problem, on why you have a continual need to make such a total prat of yourself. . It must be the excrement in the water that you pay to drink. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/manchester-set-to-become-part-of-scotland-10250453.html www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-515350/Berwick-Tweed-votes-leave-England-join-Scotland-better-public-services.htmlwww.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/cornwall-independence-what-means-cornish-7369163 |
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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 17:02:48 GMT
Much of that lies in the waters off Shetland, who have unequivocally stated that in the unlikely case of Scottish independence they intend to remain a Crown Dependency of the United Kingdom, (understandably). Another complication not addressed by the SNP. No idea, nor have I any idea why the Scots voted to remain in the UK. And who is going vote to stay in the UK. Willie fae 50 the High street. Or what about Mohamed on the corner store. He wants to be part of Pakistan. You do talk some pish. Mind you Cornwall And Manchester and Berwick on Tweed want to be part of Scotland. As once more you bring to a new level the meaning of the word imbecile. The waters of Shetland come under the law of Scotland. As does the Shetlands. And the Shetlands did not say that. Unionist arseholes said that. To divert on their lying nonsense. Like Spain would veto Scotland, or the Scots would have to join the Euro. The drivel you keep ranting, and in clueless stupidity actually belief. .And heh. The Shetlands would need a section 30.5 and a half and a wee bit more, part III section 8 order from the Scottish Government . I am fecked if I can understand your problem, on why you have a continual need to make a total prat of yourself. . It must be the excrement in the water that you pay to drink. How do Englishmen get so stupid www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/manchester-set-to-become-part-of-scotland-10250453.html www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-515350/Berwick-Tweed-votes-leave-England-join-Scotland-better-public-services.htmlwww.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/cornwall-independence-what-means-cornish-7369163told him jaydee up the thread about shetlands waters being in a territorial enclave inside of scotland where they wouldnt have any oil.
This isnt anything new , its old hat long discussed from the last referendum. Proves to me unionists like om are all out of ammo and have nothing new to offer.
the same thing over and over again and again.
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