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Post by thomas on Dec 28, 2022 10:30:57 GMT
Yes, anyone who thinks that there'll be any functional difference, other than negatively, is deluding themselves. Another silly opinion from the master of them ^^^ oh dear. Another personal attack from the master of personal attacks when he doesnt like the truth being posted........ |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 28, 2022 10:33:31 GMT
Another silly opinion from the master of them ^^^ oh dear. Another personal attack from the master of personal attacks when he doesnt like the truth being posted........ See2 thinks he has the foreman's job at last. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 28, 2022 10:37:09 GMT
Their move away from Corbynism extremism will help. will it? In scotland , it was the blairite jim murphy and his then blairte leader milliband who wiped out labour.
Corbyn only became leader in 2015. Sorry to bring up political fact and history i know how you hate it , but it wasnt corbyn extremism that lost the 2010 and 2015 elections was it? It could also be argued it was the starmer blairite refusal the accept the 2016 referendum result that forced corbyns hand and made him support such a massive anti democratic stance on brexit in 2019.....
There is so much stupidity and deviated nonsense in your post which is all over the place, typical of lefty rubbish, that it doesn't deserve a reasoned reply. If you can make a straight singular accusation or claim which you believe you can back-up then we can have a debate. But I don't have time to waste jumping around the nonsense you have posted above. |
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Post by thomas on Dec 28, 2022 10:39:26 GMT
will it? In scotland , it was the blairite jim murphy and his then blairte leader milliband who wiped out labour.
Corbyn only became leader in 2015. Sorry to bring up political fact and history i know how you hate it , but it wasnt corbyn extremism that lost the 2010 and 2015 elections was it? It could also be argued it was the starmer blairite refusal the accept the 2016 referendum result that forced corbyns hand and made him support such a massive anti democratic stance on brexit in 2019.....
There is so much stupidity and deviated nonsense in your post which is all over the place, typical of lefty rubbish, that it doesn't deserve a reasoned reply. is this codeword for you dont have a reply? The fact remains is was blairism that lost scotland and northern england to labour , and corbynism was more popualr in terms of actual votes in 2017 than blairism in any election apart from 1997.
Those are the stone cold hard facts you new labour worshippers cant stand.
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Post by see2 on Dec 28, 2022 10:39:29 GMT
Another silly opinion from the master of them ^^^ oh dear. Another personal attack from the master of personal attacks when he doesnt like the truth being posted........ Sigh, posting the truth is not an attack, try thinking before you post. |
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Post by thomas on Dec 28, 2022 10:40:05 GMT
oh dear. Another personal attack from the master of personal attacks when he doesnt like the truth being posted........ See2 thinks he has the foreman's job at last. more like the "foreskins " job ..... |
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Post by thomas on Dec 28, 2022 10:42:38 GMT
oh dear. Another personal attack from the master of personal attacks when he doesnt like the truth being posted........ Sigh, posting the truth is not an attack, try thinking before you post. maybe your definition of ad hominem is different to all the rest. Im happy with a bit of banter if not downright attack.Its just your failure to articulate anything of substance beyond empty new labour soundbites and general guff that bothers me.
When Blair quit in 2008 and handed over to Gordon Brown just in time for the global financial crash, he left the Labour vote heading for its lowest ebb in 25 years, and the second-lowest in the best part of a century.
Even in 2005, long before the crash, Blair had taken Labour below 10m votes for only the second time since 1935. The only reason he managed to win three elections with such a disastrously low vote was because the Conservatives at the time were the biggest shambles they’ve ever been in UK history, burning through leaders so fast we struggle to remember them all.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 28, 2022 10:43:33 GMT
See2 thinks he has the foreman's job at last. more like the "foreskins " job ..... Well you should know how it is by now, all psychological mumbo jumbo, like they some kind of magic spell over you. I keep telling them we have a reversal of roles, they are now the fox. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 28, 2022 10:44:46 GMT
There is so much stupidity and deviated nonsense in your post which is all over the place, typical of lefty rubbish, that it doesn't deserve a reasoned reply. is this codeword for you dont have a reply? The fact remains is was blairism that lost scotland and northern england to labour , and corbynism was more popualr in terms of actual votes in 2017 than blairism in any election apart from 1997.
Those are the stone cold hard facts you new labour worshippers cant stand.
If so they were hidden behind opinion and insinuation. Take my challenge to offer one single "fact" for debate. Pick out a single "fact" and watch me put it in its place and probably destroy it  Trying to throw everything including the kitchen sink into a post a sure sign of desperation. |
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Post by thomas on Dec 28, 2022 10:45:52 GMT
more like the "foreskins " job ..... Well you should know how it is by now, all psychological mumbo jumbo, like they some kind of magic spell over you. I keep telling them we have a reversal of roles, they are now the fox. what see 2 is trying to tell us is that tony blairs victories wasnt some remarkbale feat against all the odds , but merely a falling into place of the second horse in a two horse race when the opponent was so bad politically you or i could have beaten them.
They are now trying to achieve the same thing with someone like starmer.
......and they wonder why the uk continues its spiral into oblivion?
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Post by thomas on Dec 28, 2022 10:46:35 GMT
is this codeword for you dont have a reply? The fact remains is was blairism that lost scotland and northern england to labour , and corbynism was more popualr in terms of actual votes in 2017 than blairism in any election apart from 1997.
Those are the stone cold hard facts you new labour worshippers cant stand.
If so they were hidden behind opinion and insinuation. Take my challenge to offer one single "fact" for debate. Pick out a single "fact" and watch me put it in its place and probably destroy it Trying to throw everything including the kitchen sink into a post a sure sign of desperation. see above. please address my previous posts. |
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Post by thomas on Dec 28, 2022 10:52:27 GMT
Just to point out the chukka umunna story is all over the communications workers union twitter page and being distrubuted to its members.
My cousin is a postie currently out on strike in lancashire , and he tells me head union officials have long been advising its members not to pay political subs to the labour party while starmer and the blairites are in charge.
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Post by see2 on Dec 28, 2022 10:59:07 GMT
Sigh, posting the truth is not an attack, try thinking before you post. maybe your definition of ad hominem is different to all the rest. Im happy with a bit of banter if not downright attack.Its just your failure to articulate anything of substance beyond empty new labour soundbites and general guff that bothers me.
When Blair quit in 2008 and handed over to Gordon Brown just in time for the global financial crash, he left the Labour vote heading for its lowest ebb in 25 years, and the second-lowest in the best part of a century.
Even in 2005, long before the crash, Blair had taken Labour below 10m votes for only the second time since 1935. The only reason he managed to win three elections with such a disastrously low vote was because the Conservatives at the time were the biggest shambles they’ve ever been in UK history, burning through leaders so fast we struggle to remember them all.
1. I have posted and proved my case against SM a number of times, so keep your silly opinions to yourself. 2. Blair "quit" in 2007. 3. Yes votes for NL were dropping in 2005 largely because of the propaganda over 'Freedom of Movement' from the EU despite the reality that unemployment was lower than when NL came to office in 1997, but the overall success of NL meant they remained in office. NONE of which explains the disastrous showing of Old Labour since 1951. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 28, 2022 11:04:05 GMT
If so they were hidden behind opinion and insinuation. Take my challenge to offer one single "fact" for debate. Pick out a single "fact" and watch me put it in its place and probably destroy it Trying to throw everything including the kitchen sink into a post a sure sign of desperation. see above. please address my previous posts. Your left wing need to take control is showing. I have made the grounds upon which I am prepared to debate with you quite clear if you do not wish to oblige I may make comments without entering into debate with you. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 28, 2022 11:06:21 GMT
If so they were hidden behind opinion and insinuation. Take my challenge to offer one single "fact" for debate. Pick out a single "fact" and watch me put it in its place and probably destroy it Trying to throw everything including the kitchen sink into a post a sure sign of desperation. see above. please address my previous posts. He can't, but you knew that. |
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