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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 22:36:56 GMT
No it isn't the point, the Tories didn't have to make a choice about repairing the damage to the country done by the Tories, because NL had already done the repairs. Your obvious bias is the point. As usual you ignore the obvious in you deceitful attempts to undermine NL. Shame on you. LOL - now you are reduced to rewriting history. The Tories built more Social Housing before and after the Labour years in Government. If the Tories could build houses Labour could as well - they just chose not to.  You are finding a flaw in his New Labour. He cannot stand for that. If they did worse than the Tories in any area it must somehow be the Tories' fault, otherwise he will have to do the unthinkable and accept that New Labour is not infallible. Which the rest of us already know of course.lol |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 14, 2023 23:36:13 GMT
Sack the lot and make them and they can re apply or not but will have to compete with others who want the job. They are Nothing but a lefty woke anti Brexit organisation that would be better of privatised as it is offering nothing now. Next nurses strike will be TWICE as big if no progress is made in negotiations by the end of January, union warns ahead of more industrial action set for next week Unions warn future nursing strikes will be 'twice as big' as those seen last year Bosses said strikes will include all eligible members if there is no progress They hope government will make a 'fair' offer to increase pay before February The next industrial strike action is scheduled on Wednesday and Thursday
This is the bollocks you can expect from the lazy arseholes now.
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Post by see2 on Jan 15, 2023 9:13:05 GMT
So if NL had left the list of the things that needed finance and attention (below) left to NL by the Tories, to the Tories, the Tories would still have built more homes? __"My point was that New Labour had one hell of a job to sort out the mess the Tories left behind. Not just the housing problem. 1997: Inherited from the Tories. 1. Unemployment still higher than when Thatcher came to office in 1979. (4 million at one stage.) High unemployment means high state aid for the unemployed. (Inherited cost from the Tories.) 2. 3 Million children living in relative poverty. (Inherited cost from the Tories.) 3. Most of State education in the mire through lack of finance due to Thatcher's Grant Maintained separatist education system. (Inherited costs from the Tories.) 4.Too many teachers taking early retirement because of the mess of the education system. (Inherited costs from the Tories) 5. Encouraging teachers back into education and upping the training of new teachers. (Inherited cost from the Tories.) 6. Ditto in training doctors, Nurses etc. for the NHS. (More inherited costs from the Tories.) 7. NHS excessively run down. As you well know. (More inherited costs from the Tories) That's some of the direct costs inherited. If the Tories are that good how come they didn't sort all those problems out and build the houses needed during their 18 years to 1997 in office? According to yourself all they needed to do was to change their priorities  The Thatcher and Major governments didn't prioritise social housing either. On the contrary their aim was to gradually do away with it and let the private sector take over. New Labour chose not to prioritise it either and indeed built even less of it than the Tories had, And thus played their part in contributing to the housing crisis of today. Wrong, they built slightly fewer than the Tories built AFTER 2010. --- NL inherited the housing shortage from the Tories in 1997. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 15, 2023 9:27:15 GMT
No it isn't the point, the Tories didn't have to make a choice about repairing the damage to the country done by the Tories, because NL had already done the repairs. Your obvious bias is the point. As usual you ignore the obvious in you deceitful attempts to undermine NL. Shame on you. LOL - now you are reduced to rewriting history. The Tories built more Social Housing before and after the Labour years in Government. If the Tories could build houses Labour could as well - they just chose not to. The Tories before NL had 18 years to build social housing although I would like to see proof of your claim. Not forgetting that Thatcher sold off many Council houses. NL had fewer years in which to build new social houses. For you to ignore the list of things NL inherited from the Tories, that needed to be done and where done by NL, is simply avoidance in your attempt to appear to know what you are posting about. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 16, 2023 19:48:54 GMT
It's all about the money and shagging this country over........We'll give you a pay rise when you stop indoctrinating our children with extreme far left woke nonsense! Thousands of teachers in England and Wales will go on strike in February and March in row over pay despite warnings vulnerable children will be put at risk National Education Union (NEU) has announced that strikes will go ahead Children's Commissioner warns that a walkout would hurt vulnerable pupils Educational Institute of Scotland (EIS) union members start 16 day strike today First day of strikes will be on February 1 with more than 23,000 schools affected www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11641205/Thousands-teachers-England-Wales-strike-February-March.html |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 16, 2023 22:12:51 GMT
LOL - now you are reduced to rewriting history. The Tories built more Social Housing before and after the Labour years in Government. If the Tories could build houses Labour could as well - they just chose not to. The Tories before NL had 18 years to build social housing although I would like to see proof of your claim. Not forgetting that Thatcher sold off many Council houses. NL had fewer years in which to build new social houses. For you to ignore the list of things NL inherited from the Tories, that needed to be done and where done by NL, is simply avoidance in your attempt to appear to know what you are posting about. Well reality shows that New Labour in their tenure in Government built an average of 25,000 social houses a year and the Tories (before and after the New Labour regime) built 35,000. New Labour simply did not prioritise social housing as much as the Tories. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 16, 2023 23:14:34 GMT
Go back immediate post-war period and you'll find Labour didn't do well but the Tories mader up for that from 1951.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 17, 2023 7:39:33 GMT
Yes, the Tories hold the record for the most Council Houses built in a single year (1953)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 9:17:12 GMT
Yes, the Tories hold the record for the most Council Houses built in a single year (1953) In fairness the Tories were a very different party in 1953, at the time believing in the post war consensus established by the Attlee government, which included along with much else the provision of ample council houses to rent. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 17, 2023 9:24:59 GMT
Yes, the Tories hold the record for the most Council Houses built in a single year (1953) In fairness the Tories were a very different party in 1953, at the time believing in the post war consensus established by the Attlee government, which included along with much else the provision of ample council houses to rent. Didc it ever occur to you that the Attlee government may have used the council housing issue to repopulate the country? Are you aware the points system meant that a couple would have to generate three children in order to get a council house and that with rare exceptions there was no other way; it meant couple living in digs for years, often with parents. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 9:32:21 GMT
Go back immediate post-war period and you'll find Labour didn't do well but the Tories mader up for that from 1951. The Attlee government did many good things but inherited an economic nightmare after WW2. So yes, it did not succeed in building as many houses as future governments. The Tories from 1951 to their credit decided to give housing construction, including social housing, something of a priority. They had not yet arrived at the cynical calculation that council housing provision bred Labour voters and was thus undesirable in large numbers. The Tory governments of 1979-97 and since 2010 built far less social housing per year than any of the governments between 1951 and 1979. That New Labour built even less during their tenure is a damning indictment of their failure re housing. But then, they did pretty much continue with thatcherite housing policies, prioritising helping a few to buy over more social housing to rent or a fairer deal for private tenants. That they did even worse than the Tories with the same policies is also pretty poor. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 9:34:38 GMT
In fairness the Tories were a very different party in 1953, at the time believing in the post war consensus established by the Attlee government, which included along with much else the provision of ample council houses to rent. Didc it ever occur to you that the Attlee government may have used the council housing issue to repopulate the country? Are you aware the points system meant that a couple would have to generate three children in order to get a council house and that with rare exceptions there was no other way; it meant couple living in digs for years, often with parents. I doubt whether that was deliberate policy, more simply a case of prioritising social housing provision for those who needed it the most, eg larger families. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 17, 2023 9:48:14 GMT
The Tories before NL had 18 years to build social housing although I would like to see proof of your claim. Not forgetting that Thatcher sold off many Council houses. NL had fewer years in which to build new social houses. For you to ignore the list of things NL inherited from the Tories, that needed to be done and where done by NL, is simply avoidance in your attempt to appear to know what you are posting about. Well reality shows that New Labour in their tenure in Government built an average of 25,000 social houses a year and the Tories (before and after the New Labour regime) built 35,000. New Labour simply did not prioritise social housing as much as the Tories. Your only line of dispute is your 'Prioritising' excuse, the only way that would make any sense is if NL hadn't inherited so many priorities when coming into office AFTER 18 YEARS OF TORY MISMANAGEMENT. Do make an effort to look at the full picture. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 17, 2023 9:49:55 GMT
Go back immediate post-war period and you'll find Labour didn't do well but the Tories mader up for that from 1951. The Attlee government did many good things but inherited an economic nightmare after WW2. So yes, it did not succeed in building as many houses as future governments. The Tories from 1951 to their credit decided to give housing construction, including social housing, something of a priority. They had not yet arrived at the cynical calculation that council housing provision bred Labour voters and was thus undesirable in large numbers. The Tory governments of 1979-97 and since 2010 built far less social housing per year than any of the governments between 1951 and 1979. That New Labour built even less during their tenure is a damning indictment of their failure re housing. But then, they did pretty much continue with thatcherite housing policies, prioritising helping a few to buy over more social housing to rent or a fairer deal for private tenants. That they did even worse than the Tories with the same policies is also pretty poor. The Attlee government decided to go hell-for-leather with nationalisation plans. They could and should have used Marshall Aid money to rebuild Britain in exactly the same way many other nations used it. Had they done that and built more council houses they'd have weighed in with a stonking majority in 1950 and could then have started on a program of nationalisation and maybe realise that it wasn't always the best idea. As for the NHS, although it was introduced by Labour, the idea was a wartime cross-party idea. Interestingly I was treated during the war and to get treatment, we paid a small fee to see the doctor (a shilling comes to mind) and 1/6d a week into the HSA (Hospital Savings Association). You could see a doctor the same day and access a local hospital within days. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 17, 2023 10:02:32 GMT
Yes, the Tories hold the record for the most Council Houses built in a single year (1953) Not so surprising given that so many houses were destroyed by the air raids. I remember some of what we referred to as the 'hollers' or 'ollers' in Liverpool in the late 1950s, empty areas were houses once stood. I played footie on a couple of them. I wonder if 'Up in no time' Prefabs where counted. I suppose they would have been. |
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