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Post by jonksy on Jan 11, 2023 11:32:50 GMT
Interesting measure of success - just do almost as well as the Tories..  Its just your ignorant approach that belies any intelligence you might have and allows biased garbage to ooze out of your mind that is at fault  Meanwhile back in the REAL world. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 11, 2023 14:03:29 GMT
Given the circumstances it was a success. Its just your ignorant approach that belies any intelligence you might have and allows biased garbage to ooze out of your mind that is at fault Meanwhile back in the REAL world. When you don't have an answer just deviate in your usual trolling fashion ^^ LOL. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 11, 2023 14:37:22 GMT
Given the circumstances it was a success. Its just your ignorant approach that belies any intelligence you might have and allows biased garbage to ooze out of your mind that is at fault What circumstances? - the majority of New Labours tenure was part of the longest uninterrupted period of growth in the UK since WW2 (which they inherited from the Tories) How did that stop Labour building houses? My point was that New Labour had one hell of a job to sort out the mess the Tories left behind. Not just the housing problem. 1997: Inherited from the Tories. Unemployment still higher than when Thatcher came to office in 1979. (4 million at one stage.) High unemployment means high state aid for the unemployed. (Inherited cost from the Tories.) 3 Million children living in relative poverty. (Inherited cost from the Tories.) Most of State education in the mire due to Thatcher's Grant Maintained separatist education system. (Inherited costs from the Tories.) Too many teachers taking early retirement because of the mess of the education system. (Inherited costs from the Tories) Encouraging teachers back into education and upping the training of new teachers. (Inherited cost from the Tories.) Ditto in training doctors, Nurses etc. for the NHS. (More inherited costs from the Tories.) NHS excessively run down. As you well know. (More inherited costs from the Tories) That's some of the direct costs inherited. What was left by the Tories was a very expensive list of bills and a need to rekindle some essence of normality in the UK. Now why was it necessary for me to explain that to you? |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 11, 2023 14:45:01 GMT
Meanwhile back in the REAL world. When you don't have an answer just deviate in your usual trolling fashion ^^ LOL. Ah bless has your carer allowed you out for a day? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 11, 2023 15:08:16 GMT
What circumstances? - the majority of New Labours tenure was part of the longest uninterrupted period of growth in the UK since WW2 (which they inherited from the Tories) How did that stop Labour building houses? My point was that New Labour had one hell of a job to sort out the mess the Tories left behind. Not just the housing problem. 1997: Inherited from the Tories. Unemployment still higher than when Thatcher came to office in 1979. (4 million at one stage.) High unemployment means high state aid for the unemployed. (Inherited cost from the Tories.) 3 Million children living in relative poverty. (Inherited cost from the Tories.) Most of State education in the mire due to Thatcher's Grant Maintained separatist education system. (Inherited costs from the Tories.) Too many teachers taking early retirement because of the mess of the education system. (Inherited costs from the Tories) Encouraging teachers back into education and upping the training of new teachers. (Inherited cost from the Tories.) Ditto in training doctors, Nurses etc. for the NHS. (More inherited costs from the Tories.) NHS excessively run down. As you well know. (More inherited costs from the Tories) That's some of the direct costs inherited. What was left by the Tories was a very expensive list of bills and a need to rekindle some essence of normality in the UK. Now why was it necessary for me to explain that to you? So all you are saying is that Labour had different spending priorities which meant that they considered social housing was less important. If you want to prioritise education over housing then fine - thats a political choice. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 11, 2023 15:11:57 GMT
Why does stammer think its funny? Rishi Sunak brands today's NHS ambulance strikes 'terrifying' because patients won't know whether paramedics will turn up if they ring 999 – as up to 25k staff down tools in protest over pay Do YOU support striking NHS ambulance workers? Vote here and tell us why... READ MORE: Everything you need to know about today's NHS 999 strike AMBULANCE STRIKE LIVE: NHS workers walk-out TODAY after public warned to only call medics for a 'life or limb' emergency www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11623311/Rishi-Sunak-brands-todays-NHS-ambulance-strikes-terrifying.html |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 11, 2023 15:40:17 GMT
On this occasion I support the strikers. And so should you.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 11, 2023 15:50:28 GMT
On this occasion I support the strikers. And so should you.No chance of me doing that. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 11, 2023 16:27:08 GMT
I think we've gathered that. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 11, 2023 16:53:44 GMT
I think we've gathered that. Sorry mate we agree on many things but not this one I am afraid. As Tinculin so eloquently pointed out what about those who are the lieblood of the NHS like the cleaners, admin staff and those who do the laundary and the hundreds of other esential jobs who are paid just above the NMW? Of course these commie union barons know full well if they supported them if they went on strike it would not garner the same amound of public support as the nurses, GP's or the ambulance staff would do. There are always those who are gullible enough to think this is strike for more money many of these on strike are paid far more in excess than what they are worth. When are the Unions going to stand up for the porters or those who offer patient transport FOC and use their own resources in doing so? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 11, 2023 16:57:45 GMT
I think we've gathered that. Sorry mate we agree on many things but not this one I am afraid. As Tinculin so eloquently pointed out what about those who are the lieblood of the NHS like the cleaners, admin staff and those who do the laundary and the hundreds of other esential jobs who are paid just above the NMW? Of course these commie union barons know full well if they supported them if they went on strike it would not garner the same amound of public support as the nurses, GP's or the ambulance staff would do. There are always those who are gullible enough to think this is strike for more money many of these on strike are paid far more in excess than what they are worth. When are the Unions going to stand up for the porters or those who offer patient transport FOC and use their own resources in doing so? You're still missing the point, as I said elsewhere:
Most of this could have been avoided if the government hadn't ignored independent pay reviews for a decade. Only if the government had kept up their end of the bargain would they have any moral basis to oppose strikes... |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 11, 2023 17:01:34 GMT
Sorry mate we agree on many things but not this one I am afraid. As Tinculin so eloquently pointed out what about those who are the lieblood of the NHS like the cleaners, admin staff and those who do the laundary and the hundreds of other esential jobs who are paid just above the NMW? Of course these commie union barons know full well if they supported them if they went on strike it would not garner the same amound of public support as the nurses, GP's or the ambulance staff would do. There are always those who are gullible enough to think this is strike for more money many of these on strike are paid far more in excess than what they are worth. When are the Unions going to stand up for the porters or those who offer patient transport FOC and use their own resources in doing so? You're still missing the point, as I said elsewhere:
Most of this could have been avoided if the government hadn't ignored independent pay reviews for a decade. Only if the government had kept up their end of the bargain would they have any moral basis to oppose strikes... Ok I agree but if they give in to one lot who be next to jump on the bandwagon? This country is bloody skint thanks to covid etc. And who will it be who picks up the tab? The good old tax payers as per usual so we will all be paying more for a service that is not fit for purpose now. ot exactly the bargain of the century is it? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 11, 2023 17:24:52 GMT
You're still missing the point, as I said elsewhere:
Ok I agree but if they give in to one lot who be next to jump on the bandwagon? This country is bloody skint thanks to covid etc. And who will it be who picks up the tab? The good old tax payers as per usual so we will all be paying more for a service that is not fit for purpose now. ot exactly the bargain of the century is it? Covid was unfortunate but this problem was long in the making when Covid appeared. The government kept kicking the can down the road and now they've come to a dead end.
My feelings on this are based on personal experience: Prior to retirement, I hadn't had a pay rise in 10 years. My bills kept going up though.
"Ok" you say: "If you don't like it, then leave". So I did - just as many are doing from the NHS right now.
And many in the NHS are coming back as agency staff, earning two or three times their previous rate. And you're paying for that.
In the same way that I'm drawing a pension and have been re-employed by the civil service because they need my skills. Ironically, I now earn substantially more than I did before, for doing less work. And you're paying for that, too.
If only I'd had my 2 or 3% per year, I'd still be quite happily in post (and of course you're paying to train my successor, too).
So in both cases the short term savings are working out more expensive in the long run. And with a great deal of industrial unrest to boot.
A case of "Penny wise, pound foolish" I'm afraid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 18:49:06 GMT
There is a serious need for you to take in the full picture but the psychological need you demonstrate to view NL as all wonderful and great and to deny or explain away all flaws prevents you from doing so, and makes you sound a bit cultish. You are aware of the job that NL faced in 1997 i.e. sorting out the economy, high unemployment, a run down NHS, a run down state education system and so on. Yet you have the shitty mindedness to post your post above. Shame on you. Don't make me laugh. Oh you just did. Here is a test for you. Can you name anything New Labour got wrong or failed to do but should have done? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 19:38:03 GMT
Ok I agree but if they give in to one lot who be next to jump on the bandwagon? This country is bloody skint thanks to covid etc. And who will it be who picks up the tab? The good old tax payers as per usual so we will all be paying more for a service that is not fit for purpose now. ot exactly the bargain of the century is it? Covid was unfortunate but this problem was long in the making when Covid appeared. The government kept kicking the can down the road and now they've come to a dead end.
My feelings on this are based on personal experience: Prior to retirement, I hadn't had a pay rise in 10 years. My bills kept going up though.
"Ok" you say: "If you don't like it, then leave". So I did - just as many are doing from the NHS right now.
And many in the NHS are coming back as agency staff, earning two or three times their previous rate. And you're paying for that.
In the same way that I'm drawing a pension and have been re-employed by the civil service because they need my skills. Ironically, I now earn substantially more than I did before, for doing less work. And you're paying for that, too.
If only I'd had my 2 or 3% per year, I'd still be quite happily in post (and of course you're paying to train my successor, too).
So in both cases the short term savings are working out more expensive in the long run. And with a great deal of industrial unrest to boot.
A case of "Penny wise, pound foolish" I'm afraid.
I must say I am impressed. That is a very sensible and well argued post, telling it like it is. There is hope for you yet, lol I agree with every word because you are dealing with reality which the idealogues of any stripe seem incapable of. |
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