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Post by see2 on Jan 2, 2023 8:48:22 GMT
The problem for the strikers is not so much that they are prepared to strike, it is the lack of understanding of the economic position the country is in, which they ignore, and expect to maintain their financial position. IMO, because of circumstances, everyone should expect to come out of 2022 and 23 a little poorer than when they went into those years. So we all get poorer for the good of the economy? Who benefits from that apart from the wealthy elites at the expense of the people? Spoken like a true Tory. Ah but you are a Blairite! Same thing essentially. As your words above amply demonstrate. Do you envisage yourself getting poorer or is the triple lock sacred? And if the latter why do you only envisage working men and women - the ones paying most of the taxes and doing most of the jobs that need doing, including paying for pensioners - being the ones getting poorer? 1. The "elite" in relationship to the "people" is an ongoing debate that will take place both before and after the present situation. The benefit to the country of people being realistic in their wage claims is a benefit for the many. Your approach is to cut off ones nose to spite ones face. 2. You post like a left-wing extremist. 3. Ah, but you are a left-extremist. 4. As your post has just revealed. 5. As a pensioner I have seen and continue to see my savings, which I cannot replace, dwindle because of the weakness of the economy. Your shallow thinking sees only what it wants to see. Everyone will suffer economically this year while people who think (post) as you do will only add to the problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 8:55:23 GMT
So we all get poorer for the good of the economy? Who benefits from that apart from the wealthy elites at the expense of the people? Spoken like a true Tory. Ah but you are a Blairite! Same thing essentially. As your words above amply demonstrate. Do you envisage yourself getting poorer or is the triple lock sacred? And if the latter why do you only envisage working men and women - the ones paying most of the taxes and doing most of the jobs that need doing, including paying for pensioners - being the ones getting poorer? 1. The "elite" in relationship to the "people" is an ongoing debate that will take place both before and after the present situation. The benefit to the country of people being realistic in their wage claims is a benefit for the many. Your approach is to cut off ones nose to spite ones face. 2. You post like a left-wing extremist. 3. Ah, but you are a left-extremist. 4. As your post has just revealed. 5. As a pensioner I have seen and continue to see my savings, which I cannot replace, dwindle because of the weakness of the economy. Your shallow thinking sees only what it wants to see. Everyone will suffer economically this year while people who think (post) as you do will only add to the problem. So not wishing workers to suffer across the board pay cuts makes me a left wing extremist does it? Well you wanting that makes you a Tory fellow traveller in my book. But as a supposed extremist I am in good company. Everyone who does not bow down to the altar of Tony Blair - aka Tory Blur - is an extremist in your eyes. Which is an Orwellian abuse of the English language of a kind we are familiar with from all dishonest and lying Blairites |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 2, 2023 9:15:57 GMT
So what is the mentality of any arseholes who supports a strike by those who are too lazy to do the job they are paid well for as an 500 EXTRA people a week are NOW dying due to their antics? And one lunatic who is one of the record highest posters on this board STATES { These people are holding the NHS together, saving lives and in no small way helping hold the country together} Bloody hell, imagine the damage if they tried to pull the NHS and country apart. And the rest of us are all expected to think those lunatics who make these statements and support these actions have a more valid opinion than the rest of us. LOL and then when that backfires has to start a bloody thread of how his unearned respect is challened. LOL and still thinks he has an IQ higher than a bloody garden snail. They are not paid well. They can earn far more outside the NHS or working abroad, hence the retention and recruitment crisis which is doing immense damage to the NHS. And it has been made deliberately and systematically worse by the Tories effectively cutting their pay in real terms every year for the past 12 years with no apparent end to the constant de facto real terms pay cuts in sight. I bet you'd be moaning about how unfair it all was if they did that to your pigging pension. And NHS workers work a damned sight harder for their wages than you do for your pension. So you criticising them is frankly contemptible. They are VERY WELL paid for what they do. And for your INFO I am still at work and pay my dues that keep these lefty lazy arsed pig ignorant freeloaders in the way they have become accustomed. Every lefty ring piece these days think the world owes them a living. And BTW they have a very good pension which in many cases are indexed linked. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 9:24:35 GMT
They are not paid well. They can earn far more outside the NHS or working abroad, hence the retention and recruitment crisis which is doing immense damage to the NHS. And it has been made deliberately and systematically worse by the Tories effectively cutting their pay in real terms every year for the past 12 years with no apparent end to the constant de facto real terms pay cuts in sight. I bet you'd be moaning about how unfair it all was if they did that to your pigging pension. And NHS workers work a damned sight harder for their wages than you do for your pension. So you criticising them is frankly contemptible. They are VERY WELL paid for what they do. And for your INFO I am still at work and pay my dues that keep these lefty lazy arsed pig ignorant freeloaders in the way they have become accustomed. Every lefty ring piece these days think the world owes them a living. And BTW they have a very good pension which in many cases are indexed linked. Rubbish! For their skills and qualifications they are very low paid, much more low paid than they used to be thanks to the Tories and getting ever poorer every year. With their skills they can earn far more abroad or outside the NHS here. Why the fuck do you think the NHS is on its knees due to a retention and recruitment crisis? You have got to be just about the only one around here stupid enough to think they are well paid. It shows your ignorance and malice. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 2, 2023 10:08:54 GMT
They are VERY WELL paid for what they do. And for your INFO I am still at work and pay my dues that keep these lefty lazy arsed pig ignorant freeloaders in the way they have become accustomed. Every lefty ring piece these days think the world owes them a living. And BTW they have a very good pension which in many cases are indexed linked. much more low paid than they used to be thanks to the Tories and getting ever poorer every year. With their skills they can earn far more abroad or outside the NHS here. Why the fuck do you think the NHS is on its knees due to a retention and recruitment crisis? You have got to be just about the only one around here stupid enough to think they are well paid. It shows your ignorance and malice. They are very well paid for what they do. I see you and your ilk who support this madness haven’t got the balls to comment on the FACT that 500 peeps extra are dying each week because of the NHS antics or the FACT the so called managers can’t even order the basic requirements that is a basic requirement at the sharp end like Oxygen etc. Would you care to explain why?. Of course you will ignore it and still carry on with your usual rant in support of the lefty free loaders. And I am far from ignorant as you well know. |
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Post by patman post on Jan 2, 2023 10:22:21 GMT
I blame the government - 2 decades of money printing that debased the currency and implementing an energy policy that made us vulnerable to massive price swings... who else would you blame? Governments are always to blame, they are charged with running countries, no good them trying to blame others. What about the voters who are fool enough to put many of the same in Parliament time after time…? |
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Post by patman post on Jan 2, 2023 10:28:58 GMT
Aren’t there enough demands on the public purse? Christ, you’ll be wanting Food Banks to be paid for directly out of DHSS funds soon…! We shouldn't have any need for food banks. Is there any developed country that doesn’t have food banks or some similar charity? State welfare is too cumbersome and bureaucratic to react in a timely fashion… |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 2, 2023 10:32:24 GMT
Governments are always to blame, they are charged with running countries, no good them trying to blame others. What about the voters who are fool enough to put many of the same in Parliament time after time…? I tend to agree. The electorate are the sovereign entity therefore the buck effectively stops there. The upshot of that is though that this relies on the representatives having a degree of trust in the electorate and a degree of honesty towards them. This is where it all starts to fall apart and one cannot expect complete honesty in all things but there is a balance and too often of late that balance is out of kilter and I do mean since 97. Blair saw being PM a stepping stone to greater things and not as a what can I do for the country evidenced by his untimely haste to depart the Commons and the hoi polloi whose petty little problems were not for him, he was destined for greater things and trampling over people's lives was the best way to achieve it. |
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Post by patman post on Jan 2, 2023 10:40:29 GMT
Steve will still think he knows best, whilst he proves he doesn't. The Smugglers are working overtime, 90 more alleged Asylum seekers crossed the Channel on Christmas Day, over 45,000 have crossed the Channel this year How can this be when we’ve taken back control of our borders? Do you think the government’s motive is to ultimately increase the labour pool to lessen the effect of strikes, workforce shortages, and union demands…? |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 2, 2023 11:07:40 GMT
The Smugglers are working overtime, 90 more alleged Asylum seekers crossed the Channel on Christmas Day, over 45,000 have crossed the Channel this year
Do you think the government’s motive is to ultimately increase the labour pool to lessen the effect of strikes, workforce shortages, and union demands…? Why don’t you ask the not fit for purpose border force? Funny how it has run like clockwork at our airports when they got real men to do the job isn’t it? |
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Post by patman post on Jan 2, 2023 11:25:07 GMT
How can this be when we’ve taken back control of our borders?
Do you think the government’s motive is to ultimately increase the labour pool to lessen the effect of strikes, workforce shortages, and union demands…? Why don’t you ask the not fit for purpose border force? Funny how it has run like clockwork at our airports when they got real men to do the job isn’t it? What exactly is the UK border force? Surely the Tories have been in power long enough to set up the sort of agency they wanted to carry out their aim of taking back control of the UK’s borders — always supposing that was an aim, rather than a campaigning slogan. Airports have passport control official, security staff, sometimes-armed police and, occasionally, military personnel. And all but a very few illicit landings of light aircraft in out-of-the-way fields, are plotted and scheduled… |
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Post by Steve on Jan 2, 2023 12:38:56 GMT
No it is not an easy answer. Unless you want third world country levels of deaths on the railways. Driverless trains for the complexity of our railway network would take £billions and years to develop and then probably never get certified as legal. The Docklands Light Railway is one of our few driverless networks and they have to use a very simple network, slower trains and bigger inter train gaps to get a safety certificate. As for your opening windows to get cooler cabs have you considered the noise (= distraction from audible alerts and injury hazard) or the increased drag such creates? I very much doubt it.
If the passengers on trains increasingly have Air Con so should the drivers. There is NO REASON to have these so called drivers these days. FFS a child of tree can push a fucking button every 15 minutes. But of course this country is full of bleading heart lefties these days whoes only ambition is to bankrupt and destroy our country. Did the steam engine drivers bitch about conditions? No they didn't as they were made of stearner suff than those who now are made with the contents we flush down the loo.  does any intelligent poster want to back that view of how easy it is to get a train through Clapham Junction?  |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 2, 2023 12:42:22 GMT
There is NO REASON to have these so called drivers these days. FFS a child of tree can push a fucking button every 15 minutes. But of course this country is full of bleading heart lefties these days whoes only ambition is to bankrupt and destroy our country. Did the steam engine drivers bitch about conditions? No they didn't as they were made of stearner suff than those who now are made with the contents we flush down the loo. of how easy it is to get a train through Clapham Junction? usual bollocks from yourself. Fight your own battles FFS and stop trying to get others involved. Your trained trolls don’t give you that luxury on this forum do they? LOL |
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Post by Steve on Jan 2, 2023 12:52:14 GMT
does any intelligent poster want to back that view of how easy it is to get a train through Clapham Junction? usual bollocks from yourself. Fight your own battles FFS and stop trying to get others involved. Your trained trolls don’t give you that luxury on this forum do they? LOL |
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Post by Handyman on Jan 2, 2023 15:11:14 GMT
The Smugglers are working overtime, 90 more alleged Asylum seekers crossed the Channel on Christmas Day, over 45,000 have crossed the Channel this year How can this be when we’ve taken back control of our borders? Do you think the government’s motive is to ultimately increase the labour pool to lessen the effect of strikes, workforce shortages, and union demands…? Has there ever been a time we have had full control of our borders ? I think not even before we were taken into the EU people still managed to get into the UK in the backs of lorries, we have not seen strikes like this since the 70's which IMO is a deliberate attempt to bring about a GE, the Unions are destroying our economy which was already damaged by Covid. Do you think we are the only country that is being invaded by Economic Migrants and Alleged Asylum seekers , its a world wide problem |
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