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Post by jonksy on Jan 1, 2023 8:00:30 GMT
There is another novel way. They could open a bloody window. FFS - it's the 21st century and we have A/C in cars, offices, shops, trucks, homes etc etc - expecting to do your job in a comfortable environment is not unreasonable. How many office blocks travel at 60 miles an hour to get the benefit of wind rush through their windows?
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 1, 2023 8:11:22 GMT
FFS - it's the 21st century and we have A/C in cars, offices, shops, trucks, homes etc etc - expecting to do your job in a comfortable environment is not unreasonable. How many office blocks travel at 60 miles an hour to get the benefit of wind rush through their windows? What is the difference between a train and a HGV or car?. Nobody would buy those without A/C as it is recognised that comfortable working environments lead to less fatigue and are safer.
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Post by see2 on Jan 1, 2023 11:17:41 GMT
Q. Who is to blame for the strikes? Before you answer the question, ask yourself a simple question: Did the government call rail workers, NHS, Border Force, Ambulance workers, Driving instructors, Postal workers out on strike, or was it militant left wing trade union barons? Now think about the question again. That's right... A. Trade Unions. The problem for the strikers is not so much that they are prepared to strike, it is the lack of understanding of the economic position the country is in, which they ignore, and expect to maintain their financial position. IMO, because of circumstances, everyone should expect to come out of 2022 and 23 a little poorer than when they went into those years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 11:26:38 GMT
Q. Who is to blame for the strikes? Before you answer the question, ask yourself a simple question: Did the government call rail workers, NHS, Border Force, Ambulance workers, Driving instructors, Postal workers out on strike, or was it militant left wing trade union barons? Now think about the question again. That's right... A. Trade Unions. The problem for the strikers is not so much that they are prepared to strike, it is the lack of understanding of the economic position the country is in, which they ignore, and expect to maintain their financial position. IMO, because of circumstances, everyone should expect to come out of 2022 and 23 a little poorer than when they went into those years. So we all get poorer for the good of the economy? Who benefits from that apart from the wealthy elites at the expense of the people? Spoken like a true Tory. Ah but you are a Blairite! Same thing essentially. As your words above amply demonstrate. Do you envisage yourself getting poorer or is the triple lock sacred? And if the latter why do you only envisage working men and women - the ones paying most of the taxes and doing most of the jobs that need doing, including paying for pensioners - being the ones getting poorer?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 11:32:36 GMT
FFS - it's the 21st century and we have A/C in cars, offices, shops, trucks, homes etc etc - expecting to do your job in a comfortable environment is not unreasonable. How many office blocks travel at 60 miles an hour to get the benefit of wind rush through their windows? A response so laughably pathetic that I literally laughed out loud. It is surely a safety issue if train drivers are sweating their bollocks off in excessive heat. For one think it makes them more susceptible to sudden heart attacks and for another it can induce sleepiness and/or lack of concentration. But none of that matters to you, they can just open their windows, as if the train is always travelling at speed which we know is not the case.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 1, 2023 12:10:06 GMT
How many office blocks travel at 60 miles an hour to get the benefit of wind rush through their windows? What is the difference between a train and a HGV or car?. Nobody would buy those without A/C as it is recognised that comfortable working environments lead to less fatigue and are safer. The easy answer is to make the trains driverless thus saving the train operators a fortune. They could then pass it on as a dividend to their over charged customer’s. But there would be more chance of me replacing the pope who has gone tits up than that ever happening.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 1, 2023 12:12:06 GMT
How many office blocks travel at 60 miles an hour to get the benefit of wind rush through their windows? A response so laughably pathetic that I literally laughed out loud. It is surely a safety issue if train drivers are sweating their bollocks off in excessive heat. For one think it makes them more susceptible to sudden heart attacks and for another it can induce sleepiness and/or lack of concentration. But none of that matters to you, they can just open their windows, as if the train is always travelling at speed which we know is not the case. FFS sake the snowflakes wouldn’t know a days work in their sorry overpaid little lives. What’s the problem of opening a window and having a controlled wind rush to cool their egos?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 12:19:45 GMT
A response so laughably pathetic that I literally laughed out loud. It is surely a safety issue if train drivers are sweating their bollocks off in excessive heat. For one think it makes them more susceptible to sudden heart attacks and for another it can induce sleepiness and/or lack of concentration. But none of that matters to you, they can just open their windows, as if the train is always travelling at speed which we know is not the case. FFS sake the snowflakes wouldn’t know a days work in their sorry overpaid little lives. What’s the problem of opening a window and having a controlled wind rush to cool their egos? If you have ever been on a train you will know that it does not always travel at speed. And the windows in the drivers' compartment are not large. And in any case the sound of rushing wind would drown out essential communication warning of hazards ahead. I wish you would think before posting such risible nonsense.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 1, 2023 12:24:21 GMT
FFS sake the snowflakes wouldn’t know a days work in their sorry overpaid little lives. What’s the problem of opening a window and having a controlled wind rush to cool their egos? I wish you would think before posting such risible nonsense.The rest of us who are blessed with grey matter would like you to take your own advice.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 15:55:02 GMT
I wish you would think before posting such risible nonsense. The rest of us who are blessed with grey matter.... Still waiting for evidence of that in your case.
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Post by Steve on Jan 1, 2023 23:53:35 GMT
What is the difference between a train and a HGV or car?. Nobody would buy those without A/C as it is recognised that comfortable working environments lead to less fatigue and are safer. The easy answer is to make the trains driverless thus saving the train operators a fortune. They could then pass it on as a dividend to their over charged customer’s. But there would be more chance of me replacing the pope who has gone tits up than that ever happening. No it is not an easy answer. Unless you want third world country levels of deaths on the railways. Driverless trains for the complexity of our railway network would take £billions and years to develop and then probably never get certified as legal. The Docklands Light Railway is one of our few driverless networks and they have to use a very simple network, slower trains and bigger inter train gaps to get a safety certificate. As for your opening windows to get cooler cabs have you considered the noise (= distraction from audible alerts and injury hazard) or the increased drag such creates? I very much doubt it. If the passengers on trains increasingly have Air Con so should the drivers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 0:09:34 GMT
The problem is that the government have been suggesting pay rises of between 2 and 4 percent, and inflation has been at 10%.
Therefore any pay rise at the level suggested by the government automaticaly means public sector workers are worse off, so who can blamethem for been angry.
But more to the point, its not just about money, for example postal workers object to a reduction in terms and conditions, such as working Sundays, going self employed, working longer hours for the same pay, so who in their right minds would think that this is acceptable to any working man or woman.
Part of the problem is years of Tory de-regulation, which has resulted in a drive to the bottom, where Royal Mail staff now have to compete with the many private companies, who's agenda for competetiveness is insecure terms and conditions and low pay.
We need to go back in time, give back Royal Mail their monopoly, a state owned, state run letter and parcel service, the emphasis been on "service" not profit. Thereby securing a future for an industry, for jobs, and for the consumer / customer.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 2, 2023 2:27:49 GMT
The easy answer is to make the trains driverless thus saving the train operators a fortune. They could then pass it on as a dividend to their over charged customer’s. But there would be more chance of me replacing the pope who has gone tits up than that ever happening. No it is not an easy answer. Unless you want third world country levels of deaths on the railways. Driverless trains for the complexity of our railway network would take £billions and years to develop and then probably never get certified as legal. The Docklands Light Railway is one of our few driverless networks and they have to use a very simple network, slower trains and bigger inter train gaps to get a safety certificate. As for your opening windows to get cooler cabs have you considered the noise (= distraction from audible alerts and injury hazard) or the increased drag such creates? I very much doubt it. If the passengers on trains increasingly have Air Con so should the drivers. There is NO REASON to have these so called drivers these days. FFS a child of tree can push a fucking button every 15 minutes. But of course this country is full of bleading heart lefties these days whoes only ambition is to bankrupt and destroy our country. Did the steam engine drivers bitch about conditions? No they didn't as they were made of stearner suff than those who now are made with the contents we flush down the loo.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 2, 2023 3:07:12 GMT
The rest of us who are blessed with grey matter.... Still waiting for evidence of that in your case. So what is the mentality of any arseholes who supports a strike by those who are too lazy to do the job they are paid well for as an 500 EXTRA people a week are NOW dying due to their antics? And one lunatic who is one of the record highest posters on this board STATES { These people are holding the NHS together, saving lives and in no small way helping hold the country together} Bloody hell, imagine the damage if they tried to pull the NHS and country apart. And the rest of us are all expected to think those lunatics who make these statements and support these actions have a more valid opinion than the rest of us. LOL and then when that backfires has to start a bloody thread of how his unearned respect is challened. LOL and still thinks he has an IQ higher than a bloody garden snail.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 7:54:52 GMT
Still waiting for evidence of that in your case. So what is the mentality of any arseholes who supports a strike by those who are too lazy to do the job they are paid well for as an 500 EXTRA people a week are NOW dying due to their antics? And one lunatic who is one of the record highest posters on this board STATES { These people are holding the NHS together, saving lives and in no small way helping hold the country together} Bloody hell, imagine the damage if they tried to pull the NHS and country apart. And the rest of us are all expected to think those lunatics who make these statements and support these actions have a more valid opinion than the rest of us. LOL and then when that backfires has to start a bloody thread of how his unearned respect is challened. LOL and still thinks he has an IQ higher than a bloody garden snail. They are not paid well. They can earn far more outside the NHS or working abroad, hence the retention and recruitment crisis which is doing immense damage to the NHS. And it has been made deliberately and systematically worse by the Tories effectively cutting their pay in real terms every year for the past 12 years with no apparent end to the constant de facto real terms pay cuts in sight. I bet you'd be moaning about how unfair it all was if they did that to your pigging pension. And NHS workers work a damned sight harder for their wages than you do for your pension. So you criticising them is frankly contemptible.
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