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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 22, 2022 15:31:45 GMT
They weren't paracetamol. They were prescribed drugs. So another one who never read the article. THEY WERE PARACETOMOL. All bloody NHS dtrugs are prescriped.. I haven't read the article? Even the headlines refers to both. 😂
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Post by Toreador on Dec 22, 2022 15:32:57 GMT
They weren't paracetamol. They were prescribed drugs. So another one who never read the article. THEY WERE PARACETOMOL. All bloody NHS dtrugs are prescriped.. Quite right. I had been prescribed Paracetamol for years to reduce knee pain. I still had it prescribed after both knees were renewed. Once the post-surgery pain had subsided I stopped ordering from the doctor and bought my own as necessary. When I ordered my prescription having decided to buy my own, the doctor's pharmacist asked whether I'd forgotten the Paracetamol so I explained and she nearly fell through the floor because she knew that few people cancelled drugs, preferring to stockpile them for no good reason.
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Post by Toreador on Dec 22, 2022 15:49:02 GMT
So another one who never read the article. THEY WERE PARACETOMOL. All bloody NHS dtrugs are prescriped.. Ah Jonsky Clarkson, the educated man. All bloody NHS drugs are not prescribed. Neither is NHS theft. Except if you are a Tory minister. If an NHS doctor prescribes drugs then they are prescribed. Drugs given in hospital are prescribed. There are over the counter drugs which are also prescribed drugs, Paracetamol is one. It isn't that long ago that Paracetamol was prescribed but was removed from prescription in many cases and people who had been abusing the system had to buy their own. However, I was prescribed just short of 100 a month because I wouldn't take the full dose of 8 per day for medical reasons; they're not good for kidneys. Over the counter, many drugs are quantity limited for a single purchase, in the case of Paracetamol it's 32 x 500mg. You may leave a thumbs-up for correcting your errors.
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Post by jaydee on Dec 22, 2022 16:12:46 GMT
Ah Jonsky Clarkson, the educated man. All bloody NHS drugs are not prescribed. Neither is NHS theft. Except if you are a Tory minister. If an NHS doctor prescribes drugs then they are prescribed. Drugs given in hospital are prescribed. There are over the counter drugs which are also prescribed drugs, Paracetamol is one. It isn't that long ago that Paracetamol was prescribed but was removed from prescription in many cases and people who had been abusing the system had to buy their own. However, I was prescribed just short of 100 a month because I wouldn't take the full dose of 8 per day for medical reasons; they're not good for kidneys. Over the counter, many drugs are quantity limited for a single purchase, in the case of Paracetamol it's 32 x 500mg. You may leave a thumbs-up for correcting your errors. That is correct if they are prescribed. But a simple pain killer does not need to be prescribed. Even if you are in hospital. Neither does a cough mixture. Or a nasal spray, Or foo foo powder if you have sweaty balls, Just ask the nurse at two in the morning. . In this case prescribed means exactly what it say. You cannot buy it over the counter. You can buy paracetamol over the counter. Up to a certain dosage. You do not need it prescribed even in a hospital. You may leave a thumbs-up for correcting your errors.
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Post by Toreador on Dec 22, 2022 16:20:28 GMT
If an NHS doctor prescribes drugs then they are prescribed. Drugs given in hospital are prescribed. There are over the counter drugs which are also prescribed drugs, Paracetamol is one. It isn't that long ago that Paracetamol was prescribed but was removed from prescription in many cases and people who had been abusing the system had to buy their own. However, I was prescribed just short of 100 a month because I wouldn't take the full dose of 8 per day for medical reasons; they're not good for kidneys. Over the counter, many drugs are quantity limited for a single purchase, in the case of Paracetamol it's 32 x 500mg. You may leave a thumbs-up for correcting your errors. That is correct if they are prescribed. But a simple pain killer does not need to be prescribed even if you are in hospital. Neither does a cough mixture. Or a nasal spray, Or foo foo powder if you have sweaty balls, Just ask the nurse at two in the morning. . In this case prescribed means exactly what it say. You cannot buy it over the counter. You can buy paracetamol over the counter. Up to a certain dosage. You do not need it prescribed even in a hospital. You may leave a thumbs-up for correcting your errors. Of course it needs to be prescribed unless you think you can just ask for a drug and receive it without the ward staff referring it. They need to control and record your drug intake; I have not left a thumbs-up.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 22, 2022 16:36:03 GMT
Does seem a bit harsh - the prosecution stressed that they were not accusing her of the entire theft, only the two limited incidents. Also one wonders why the Hospital did not have a first aid kit for staff use containing basic painkillers - what happened to looking after the welfare of staff? I agree it does seem a bit harsh actually taking her to Court for two tablets on two occasions, why did she not ask a Senior Member of staff for help ? they could have simply asked her to resign or sacked her and left it at that, yes the CPS made it quite clear that there was no evidence to show she was responsible for stealing any other medication over a period of time Co-codamol are only obtainable on prescription as they are very strong it can effect some people causing drowsiness and effect some peoples thinking processes, when I was prescribed it some years ago told not to drive just in case, which was good advice I slept for hours after taking just two a day could not stay awake. There was obviously a serious problem with medication being taken hence the need to actually ask the Police to investigate, Theft Employee is a specific offence and normally treated harshly by the Courts, the reason being this year alone the amount of theft by employees from the workplace amounted to £183 million pounds it can and has bankrupted some small businesses. She may well find it difficult to obtain other employment in the future Sorry but co-codamol is available in two distinct strengths, one is 8mg codeine usually with 500mg paracetamol freely available without prescription over the counter when sold by a pharmacist who must question you as to other health problems that contraindicate use and caution you not to take for a prolonged period. I generally buy an effervescent version that is guaranteed to get into the bloodstream in five minutes flat. There is a POM (sorry prescription only medicine) version which generally has 30mg codeine to 500mg paracetamol and these are indeed controlled, but readily available if asked for from a GP in the right way. As in, when the cellulitis flared up and the over the counter stuff failed miserably it became time to ask for the heavy weaponry. While being treated as an in patient I have been given the lower dose codeine co-codamol, the A&E F1 quite correctly IMO deciding to see if the lower dose did the trick before resorting to the sledgehammer, so my personal experience tells me it would be entirely possible the stuff she took was actually an over the counter medication kept with the medicines of stronger content as you would naturally keep all such together The article, you will note, is silent on this detail, and the other point I found noteworthy was the claim other nurses took these items. It seems there was a protocol to follow to do this legitimately as the article states she took the items without the necessary written permission which tells me there is a way she could have used them legitimately. In my day the path lab first aid kit contained all sorts including over the counter painkillers and the first aid kit in my mums office in the doctors surgery where she was the receptionist and registered first aider also kept a stock of such but some jobsworth a few years back demanded all such be removed from office and factory first aid kits. The problem here is that because over the counter medicines formerly in such kits are now not allowed in them, one has to access systems containing far more powerful stuff alongside over the counter stuff and hence all the fuss. If common sense prevailed and the demand over the counter painkillers be removed from first aid kits be ripped up and burned as it should be, this whole mess might have been avoided. But doubtless the little butlers in their peaked caps have something to celebrate now
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 22, 2022 16:48:19 GMT
Nope, I made nothing up but you seized on an irrelevant quote. Stage 1 of your standard damage limitation argument. Let's just cut to the chase and admit that you didn't actually understand the findings of the court case from the outset. Ah Nigel, the one line wonder. As you have just confirmed neither did you. Stage 1 of your standard damage limitation argument. Yes lets cut to the chase.. Just like Shipman, she stole controlled drugs. Funny how the UKIP thinking fascist elements are out in force and breeding, defending a criminal. The same tactic with Bojoke. But rant the nurses on strike are todays enemy to hate. And described as wasted space to boot. And another irrelevant diatribe from the Keyboard Diarrhoeaist.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 22, 2022 17:11:18 GMT
Now she has a criminal record and no job and no home, me thinks we haven't had the full story.
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Post by jaydee on Dec 22, 2022 18:25:59 GMT
Ah Nigel, the one line wonder. As you have just confirmed neither did you. Stage 1 of your standard damage limitation argument. Yes lets cut to the chase.. Just like Shipman, she stole controlled drugs. Funny how the UKIP thinking fascist elements are out in force and breeding, defending a criminal. The same tactic with Bojoke. But rant the nurses on strike are todays enemy to hate. And described as wasted space to boot. And another irrelevant diatribe from the Keyboard Diarrhoeaist. Ah Nigel. The one line wonder. Stage 2 of his standard damage limitation. More utter bollocks and insults, to confirm he still did not understand.
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Post by jaydee on Dec 22, 2022 18:28:17 GMT
That is correct if they are prescribed. But a simple pain killer does not need to be prescribed even if you are in hospital. Neither does a cough mixture. Or a nasal spray, Or foo foo powder if you have sweaty balls, Just ask the nurse at two in the morning. . In this case prescribed means exactly what it say. You cannot buy it over the counter. You can buy paracetamol over the counter. Up to a certain dosage. You do not need it prescribed even in a hospital. You may leave a thumbs-up for correcting your errors. Of course it needs to be prescribed unless you think you can just ask for a drug and receive it without the ward staff referring it. They need to control and record your drug intake; I have not left a thumbs-up. That is not what you said. You said all NHS drugs are prescribed. No they are not. I have just given you examples.
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Post by borchester on Dec 22, 2022 18:36:23 GMT
I agree it does seem a bit harsh actually taking her to Court for two tablets on two occasions, why did she not ask a Senior Member of staff for help ? they could have simply asked her to resign or sacked her and left it at that, yes the CPS made it quite clear that there was no evidence to show she was responsible for stealing any other medication over a period of time Co-codamol are only obtainable on prescription as they are very strong it can effect some people causing drowsiness and effect some peoples thinking processes, when I was prescribed it some years ago told not to drive just in case, which was good advice I slept for hours after taking just two a day could not stay awake. There was obviously a serious problem with medication being taken hence the need to actually ask the Police to investigate, Theft Employee is a specific offence and normally treated harshly by the Courts, the reason being this year alone the amount of theft by employees from the workplace amounted to £183 million pounds it can and has bankrupted some small businesses. She may well find it difficult to obtain other employment in the future Sorry but co-codamol is available in two distinct strengths, one is 8mg codeine usually with 500mg paracetamol freely available without prescription over the counter when sold by a pharmacist who must question you as to other health problems that contraindicate use and caution you not to take for a prolonged period. I generally buy an effervescent version that is guaranteed to get into the bloodstream in five minutes flat. There is a POM (sorry prescription only medicine) version which generally has 30mg codeine to 500mg paracetamol and these are indeed controlled, but readily available if asked for from a GP in the right way. As in, when the cellulitis flared up and the over the counter stuff failed miserably it became time to ask for the heavy weaponry. While being treated as an in patient I have been given the lower dose codeine co-codamol, the A&E F1 quite correctly IMO deciding to see if the lower dose did the trick before resorting to the sledgehammer, so my personal experience tells me it would be entirely possible the stuff she took was actually an over the counter medication kept with the medicines of stronger content as you would naturally keep all such together The article, you will note, is silent on this detail, and the other point I found noteworthy was the claim other nurses took these items. It seems there was a protocol to follow to do this legitimately as the article states she took the items without the necessary written permission which tells me there is a way she could have used them legitimately. In my day the path lab first aid kit contained all sorts including over the counter painkillers and the first aid kit in my mums office in the doctors surgery where she was the receptionist and registered first aider also kept a stock of such but some jobsworth a few years back demanded all such be removed from office and factory first aid kits. The problem here is that because over the counter medicines formerly in such kits are now not allowed in them, one has to access systems containing far more powerful stuff alongside over the counter stuff and hence all the fuss. If common sense prevailed and the demand over the counter painkillers be removed from first aid kits be ripped up and burned as it should be, this whole mess might have been avoided. But doubtless the little butlers in their peaked caps have something to celebrate now A rider to this is that nurses tend to be characterised by big hearts and hypochondria and most of them carry around enough drugs for their personal use to stock three branches of Boots.
So how come this lass did not cadge a couple of pills from her workmates?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 22, 2022 19:00:46 GMT
And another irrelevant diatribe from the Keyboard Diarrhoeaist. Ah Nigel. The one line wonder. Stage 2 of his standard damage limitation. More utter bollocks and insults, to confirm he still did not understand.
And welcome to the second position on my ignore list as just another irrelevant, content-free, poster.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 22, 2022 20:07:18 GMT
So another one who never read the article. THEY WERE PARACETOMOL. All bloody NHS dtrugs are prescriped.. I haven't read the article? Even the headlines refers to both. 😂 And? Who can prescribe tablets to a person who has a headache or admisnster pain releif to patients off their own back whitout consulting a dotcor or consultant?
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Post by jonksy on Dec 22, 2022 20:10:13 GMT
Of course it needs to be prescribed unless you think you can just ask for a drug and receive it without the ward staff referring it. They need to control and record your drug intake; I have not left a thumbs-up. That is not what you said. You said all NHS drugs are prescribed. No they are not. I have just given you examples. So now you admit thata nurse can prescribe paracetomol or pain relief whithout a doctor or consultants consent. So what's your beef exactly?
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 22, 2022 20:19:39 GMT
I haven't read the article? Even the headlines refers to both. 😂 And? Who can prescribe tablets to a person who has a headache or admisnster pain releif to patients off their own back whitout consulting a dotcor or consultant? So just to clarify, are you trying to allege that she has done nothing wrong?
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