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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2022 19:49:10 GMT
Hence my point about reassessing it . I don’t see the answer in blithely throwing money into it. Its been a political weapon cum Golden calf for too long . Here we disagree. My view is that we need to wake up and realise that all the enormous leaps forward in medicine over the last decade cost money and stop pretending hey can be paid for by cost saving or fiddling with minor taxes. How is reassessing the NHS and reconstructing it disagreeing with your point ? |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 31, 2022 19:49:53 GMT
My daughter in law is a ward sister in scbu. She regularly works a 12 hour day followed by a couple of 12 hour nights. How anyone is supposed to adjust their body clock to that and perform well I don't know. And 12 hour shifts are never less than 13 or 14 hours due to staff shortages. But, as usual, you don't know much Zany.
The 12 hour shift pattern (common in NHS, emergency services and many more) was the best I ever worked.
5 days on, 5 days off. Lovely. I wish I could go back to that.
This post would have worked better without the first line. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 31, 2022 20:02:14 GMT
You mean without the reminder of your ongoing ignorance? Now where'd be the fun in that?  |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 31, 2022 20:08:53 GMT
You mean without the reminder of your ongoing ignorance? Now where'd be the fun in that? Your idea of fun. Ooher. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2022 20:22:49 GMT
Ooher Matron.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 31, 2022 20:33:20 GMT
Here we disagree. My view is that we need to wake up and realise that all the enormous leaps forward in medicine over the last decade cost money and stop pretending hey can be paid for by cost saving or fiddling with minor taxes. How is reassessing the NHS and reconstructing it disagreeing with your point ? Good point. I had assumed you supported the idea of the NHS finding its extra cash through cuts etc. So lets discuss our ideas of reform. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 31, 2022 20:36:49 GMT
You mean without the reminder of your ongoing ignorance? Now where'd be the fun in that? Your idea of fun. Ooher.
The lesson is: Don't dish what you can't take, Zany.
Even a man of your ignorance should know that.  |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2022 20:38:11 GMT
How is reassessing the NHS and reconstructing it disagreeing with your point ? Good point. I had assumed you supported the idea of the NHS finding its extra cash through cuts etc. So lets discuss our ideas of reform. No I support the idea of the NHS being completely restructured including its aims and philosophy. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 31, 2022 21:08:15 GMT
Who gives a fuck about Rachel? The bitch probbly doesn't know what a hard days work is. Well with only hours to go that ^ might just take the prize as sick post of 2022. These people are holding the NHS together, saving lives and in no small way helping hold the country together and you want to shit on them like that just because the facts of their situation show your posts in this thread to have been at best delusionary crap. You wouldn't know a FACT if you fell arse over tit on one. I see you and your ilk ignored the FACT that most nurses who pull their weight received a nice little bonus. My babe got £3k not a bad end of year present is it? How the fuck are these aresholes holding the NHS together when all they do is moan and go on strike caused by the very arseholes you support? |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 31, 2022 21:12:08 GMT
Doesn’t say how many shifts per week. She says she needs to work extra shifts then says she works a 16 hour day. Doesn’t add up tbh. My daughter in law is a ward sister in scbu. She regularly works a 12 hour day followed by a couple of 12 hour nights. How anyone is supposed to adjust their body clock to that and perform well I don't know. And 12 hour shifts are never less than 13 or 14 hours due to staff shortages. So? Maybe if the fucking woke lefty management put more effort into employing staff at the front end rather than diversity parasites and cut down on the over abundance of their like it would help. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 31, 2022 21:17:46 GMT
My daughter in law is a ward sister in scbu. She regularly works a 12 hour day followed by a couple of 12 hour nights. How anyone is supposed to adjust their body clock to that and perform well I don't know. And 12 hour shifts are never less than 13 or 14 hours due to staff shortages. So? Maybe if the fucking woke lefty management put more effort into employing staff at the front end rather than diversity parasites and cut down on the over abundance of their like it would help. Do you have a drink problem? |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 31, 2022 21:19:50 GMT
Good point. I had assumed you supported the idea of the NHS finding its extra cash through cuts etc. So lets discuss our ideas of reform. No I support the idea of the NHS being completely restructured including its aims and philosophy. That's a bit vague, do you have a start point? |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 31, 2022 21:21:22 GMT
How is reassessing the NHS and reconstructing it disagreeing with your point ? Good point. I had assumed you supported the idea of the NHS finding its extra cash through cuts etc. So lets discuss our ideas of reform.Lets get rid off 50% of the NHS waste of space shit for brains management and cut out all this lefty diversity bollocks for starters. Thats saved several billions strait away. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 31, 2022 21:37:30 GMT
No I support the idea of the NHS being completely restructured including its aims and philosophy. That's a bit vague, do you have a start point? Well you accept that we have limited resources along with technical advances that will cost more and more . Phase 1..There needs to be a public conversation regarding the aims and philosophy of the NHS first . Do we frame the cost of the NHS around a set if aims and philosophy or do we fit the aims and philosophy around a set budget? By aims and philosophy I mean ..philosophy…does the NHS restrict its activities to relief of pain , curing illness etc or does it include lifestyle choices ie IVF, gender reassignment etc ( my examples , others might disagree).…..Aims …. who to treat and how much resources we aim at a problem. Phase 2 . Audit and assess how we can use our resources the most efficiently to achieve the aims agreed by the public conversation. Ill stop there . |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 31, 2022 21:56:04 GMT
That's a bit vague, do you have a start point? Well you accept that we have limited resources along with technical advances that will cost more and more . Phase 1..There needs to be a public conversation regarding the aims and philosophy of the NHS first . Do we frame the cost of the NHS around a set if aims and philosophy or do we fit the aims and philosophy around a set budget? By aims and philosophy I mean ..philosophy…does the NHS restrict its activities to relief of pain , curing illness etc or does it include lifestyle choices ie IVF, gender reassignment etc ( my examples , others might disagree).…..Aims …. who to treat and how much resources we aim at a problem. Phase 2 . Audit and assess how we can use our resources the most efficiently to achieve the aims agreed by the public conversation. Ill stop there . I think we'd need to look at the things that cost the most. IVF and gender reassignment might be easy targets (Though less so for those needing them) but the single biggest cost by a country mile is the prolonging the life of the elderly. Should we stop everything beyond palliative care for those aged over 90? I am of that age when my mum and my wife's mum are both in their nineties, both would be happy to pass over, both are kept alive by a cocktail of drugs to control heart failure etc etc (Old age) For years we have tip toed around assisted suicide for the terminally ill, but I think with all the wonder drugs of today the conversation needs to move onto just allowing folks to end their life with dignity when they want to. |
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