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Post by zanygame on Dec 30, 2022 8:12:34 GMT
THere is no going rate, which is why no one can supply one. Every job has a different going rate made up of;
Education level needed, skills needed, hours required (Shifts, night, day) job desirability, stress and responsibility.
No two jobs are the same.
Most NHS staff I now want the pay rise as compensation for the stress involved in the job. If you made the job more pleasant you could get more applicants without offering more pay.
At the moment nursing has such a bad reputation very few people want to do it, worse still once the reputation is earned every little thing that happens is seen as another sign of how dreadful the job is.
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Post by Steve on Dec 30, 2022 11:15:50 GMT
So yet again you cannot give us a going rate.. Nurses do a 36.5 hour week in the the NHS and a 37 hour week in the public sector. Just for a clue. We have over 130,000 unfilled vacancies in the NHS which means one in 10 roles unfilled. Over 45,000 of them are nursing vacancies in England alone. If that doesn't tell you they're not being paid the going rate then nothing will. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 30, 2022 12:19:50 GMT
So yet again you cannot give us a going rate.. Nurses do a 36.5 hour week in the the NHS and a 37 hour week in the public sector. Just for a clue. We have over 130,000 unfilled vacancies in the NHS which means one in 10 roles unfilled. Over 45,000 of them are nursing vacancies in England alone. If that doesn't tell you they're not being paid the going rate then nothing will. FFS how does that prove the going rate? You really should lay off that NOX. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 30, 2022 12:21:48 GMT
THere is no going rate, which is why no one can supply one. Every job has a different going rate made up of; Education level needed, skills needed, hours required (Shifts, night, day) job desirability, stress and responsibility. No two jobs are the same. Most NHS staff I now want the pay rise as compensation for the stress involved in the job. If you made the job more pleasant you could get more applicants without offering more pay. At the moment nursing has such a bad reputation very few people want to do it, worse still once the reputation is earned every little thing that happens is seen as another sign of how dreadful the job is. Most people in the PRIVATE sector have stressful jobs. But unfortunately they can’t have time off and still get full pay. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 30, 2022 12:34:17 GMT
Well considering the NHS employs 1,376,190 staff, and given there is only 130,000 unfilled vacancies it just goes to show how many want jobs in the NHS.
If working for the NHS is so low paid why are they employing so many staff? lol
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Post by Steve on Dec 30, 2022 12:47:00 GMT
Well considering the NHS employs 1,376,190 staff, and given there is only 130,000 unfilled vacancies it just goes to show how many want jobs in the NHS. If working for the NHS is so low paid why are they employing so many staff? lol Only 90% of what they need means long waiting lists. So they waste our money on contract staff at up to £2,500 a shift while watching qualified English as first language qualified medical staff poached by Oz and the USA The obvious explanation is it's because they're not paying the going rate. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 30, 2022 12:55:33 GMT
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 30, 2022 13:00:34 GMT
Well considering the NHS employs 1,376,190 staff, and given there is only 130,000 unfilled vacancies it just goes to show how many want jobs in the NHS. If working for the NHS is so low paid why are they employing so many staff? lol Only 90% of what they need means long waiting lists. So they waste our money on contract staff at up to £2,500 a shift while watching qualified English as first language qualified medical staff poached by Oz and the USA The obvious explanation is it's because they're not paying the going rate. Well it's evident there needs to be drastic measures taking, using these rip off contract staff.
That's the problem, the key word is 'contract', Labour have tied hands by letting GPs sign lucrative contracts that are virtually impossible to backtrack on.
The Conservatives are also guilty of signing contracts left, right and center, it's costing tax payer billions of pounds each year honouring contracts that governments have made, that are now not fit for purpose, not just with the NHS, building contracts who go bust, any contract should have a 'get out clause', if not it's a blackmail loophole in favour of the contractor, the sooner governments realise that, the quicker they'll save wasted tax payers money.
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Post by Steve on Dec 30, 2022 13:06:28 GMT
But we're losing doctors to early retirement and Oz.
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 30, 2022 13:15:19 GMT
But we're losing doctors to early retirement and Oz. I bet they are, they can well afford to retire early and put their feet up, thanks to Labours ridiculous contracts that gives them £120,000 a year, guaranteed, and that does not include the private work GPs have, private care homes, and other sidelines. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 30, 2022 13:29:23 GMT
Well considering the NHS employs 1,376,190 staff, and given there is only 130,000 unfilled vacancies it just goes to show how many want jobs in the NHS. If working for the NHS is so low paid why are they employing so many staff? lol Only 90% of what they need means long waiting lists. So they waste our money on contract staff at up to £2,500 a shift while watching qualified English as first language qualified medical staff poached by Oz and the USA The obvious explanation is it's because they're not paying the going rate. Waiting lists are nothing new. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 30, 2022 13:31:55 GMT
But we're losing doctors to early retirement and Oz. I bet they are, they can well afford to retire early and put their feet up, thanks to Labours ridiculous contracts that gives them £120,000 a year, guaranteed, and that does not include the private work GPs have, private care homes, and other sidelines. Exactly mate, this is down to the NHS mismanagement they have known this was going to happen years ago. We have a national skill shortage as the usual would rather give preference to cheap foreign labour than support our own workforce. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 30, 2022 13:35:38 GMT
But we're losing doctors to early retirement and Oz. I bet they are, they can well afford to retire early and put their feet up, thanks to Labours ridiculous contracts that gives them £120,000 a year, guaranteed, and that does not include the private work GPs have, private care homes, and other sidelines. So how do you think you can force them to take lower salaries when they can go off to Oz or BUPA and earn more? It looks like you want a monopolistic employer to unfairly exploit a monopoly. Well that would be to act badly and unless you nationalise BUPA etc and seal our borders, fruitlessly. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 30, 2022 13:39:43 GMT
I bet they are, they can well afford to retire early and put their feet up, thanks to Labours ridiculous contracts that gives them £120,000 a year, guaranteed, and that does not include the private work GPs have, private care homes, and other sidelines. Exactly mate, this is down to the NHS mismanagement they have known this was going to happen years ago. We have a national skill shortage as the usual would rather give preference to cheap foreign labour than support our own workforce. Yes we have a national medical skill shortage and it was your friends in government that created it. And whatever the cause, if you have a shortage the dumbest thing you can do is think you can fix it by underpaying staff and lying about supposed independent pay reviews that weren't. The harsh truth here is your choice of government really doesn't care if us plebs die waiting for ambulances, GP appointments, A&E admissions etc because they and their mates will in no small part be using private healthcare. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 30, 2022 13:41:47 GMT
I bet they are, they can well afford to retire early and put their feet up, thanks to Labours ridiculous contracts that gives them £120,000 a year, guaranteed, and that does not include the private work GPs have, private care homes, and other sidelines. Exactly mate, this is down to the NHS mismanagement they have known this was going to happen years ago. We have a national skill shortage as the usual would rather give preference to cheap foreign labour than support our own workforce. Agreed, and lots of this foreign labour are using bogus qualifications to get jobs, eventually when something goes wrong and they investigate, they find out they aren't even who they say they are, or their qualifications are from non existent establishment registered in Johannesburg.
I mean to say, did you read about the border control officer who turns out to be a illegal migrant working here for over 20 years FFS lol
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