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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 24, 2022 17:33:41 GMT
That's my thinking.
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Post by Steve on Dec 24, 2022 18:05:26 GMT
Quite and I owe you nothing - some times you and I agree some times we don't. I think the three of them are just so angry at having grossly misread the article - if that is they ever read beyond the headline. Red's continual false projections of what the prosecutor said are just so so sad. Red ought to know that not accusing someone of some thing is very much not the same as vowing they are innocent of everything apart from the actual charge. Have you got any other tricks apart from self elusion? Dear Santa Stuff what I want, please can you give Jonksy an ability to read, be honest and type for Christmas (even if he hasn't been good) |
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Post by Steve on Dec 24, 2022 18:09:15 GMT
Exactly the Prosecution made that very clear to the Court for one very good reason " There was no evidence to prove or even suggest that she had stolen more than the two tablets, if there had been they would have charged her with additional charges for each separate occasion Nope The CPS only prosecute where they have better than a 50% chance of conviction. They knew they had her bang to rights on the two tablets but only circumstantial on the rest. So they would not have proceeded on the rest and moreover would have to have made it clear they weren't prosecuting for the rest before sentencing was considered. There is nothing in their comment that says they believed she had only stolen two |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 24, 2022 18:12:45 GMT
Why didn'y say so earlier, or do you need to be led by the nose? |
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Post by Equivocal on Dec 24, 2022 18:49:14 GMT
All very odd. If what the woman said was true, she was not guilty of theft (mens rea absent). Yet she was represented and entered a guilty plea? It's hard to understand the charging decision if there was nothing beyond the two tablets, yet there is nothing in the article(s) that might suggest there was something else? Exactly. Almost like sort of agreed outcome... My first thought was that there had been some kind of plea bargain, but then thought there couldn't have been because the prosecution would never allowed the 'implied consent' in mitigation.
On re-reading it seems the prosecutor said the woman believed she had implied consent. This, if accepted, would be a full defence to a charge of theft because it removes the dishonesty condition.
My guess is the case has been mis-reported by one agency and this has been picked up by other outlets.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 24, 2022 21:22:15 GMT
Have you got any other tricks apart from self elusion? Dear Santa Stuff what I want, please can you give Jonksy an ability to read, be honest and type for Christmas (even if he hasn't been good) Dear Santa, please remove the large pecker that extends from Steves forehead. We all know what it portrays whithout having to resort to growing and wearing one by the offender. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 24, 2022 21:46:07 GMT
This is a politics forum. Try contributing to the political debate, rather than just issuing personal abuse.
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Post by see2 on Dec 25, 2022 9:56:59 GMT
This is a politics forum. Try contributing to the political debate, rather than just issuing personal abuse. Yep, he could start by acknowledging the following. ___" Thousands of NHS staff from the EU have left since Britain voted for Brexit in 2016, data suggests. In three years, more than 11,600 NHS staff from the EU have left, including 4,783 nurses. The figures come from Freedom of Information requests submitted by the Liberal Democrats |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 25, 2022 11:15:57 GMT
This is a politics forum. Try contributing to the political debate, rather than just issuing personal abuse. Yep, he could start by acknowledging the following. ___" Thousands of NHS staff from the EU have left since Britain voted for Brexit in 2016, data suggests. In three years, more than 11,600 NHS staff from the EU have left, including 4,783 nurses. The figures come from Freedom of Information requests submitted by the Liberal Democrats Still trying to tell us how we should think then halfwit. Why would the NHS need 4,783 nurses from the EU in the first place? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 25, 2022 12:48:33 GMT
Because we haven't got enough and cannot recruit them. 🙄
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Post by see2 on Dec 25, 2022 13:04:16 GMT
Because we haven't got enough and cannot recruit them. 🙄 True, but he obviously doesn't know when he is making a fool of himself, I tend to let him bleat in his own silliness these days. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 25, 2022 13:08:04 GMT
Because we haven't got enough and cannot recruit them. 🙄 Or as a nurse was saying herself, as I happen to read what others say when in real world scenarios, the Westminster party have made it harder by cost cutting exercises. Maybe even through constant privatisation. As the global corporations feel they don't get a big enough cut of government funds even. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 25, 2022 13:18:37 GMT
Because we haven't got enough and cannot recruit them. 🙄 True, but he obviously doesn't know when he is making a fool of himself, I tend to let him bleat in his own silliness these days. So not exactly true halfwit. |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Dec 25, 2022 15:45:46 GMT
Some years ago I had an appointment with an hospital consultant. I checked him out online ... and found that back in 1999, shortly after he'd qualified as a Consultant, he'd been arrested in a pharmacy whilst attempting to obtain drugs with a stolen prescription. He was heavily fined ... and suspended for 6 months. He left the country and worked in Saudia Arabia for ten years ... then returned to Britain as a specialist and worked in private practice before eventually working for the NHS again.
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Post by see2 on Dec 26, 2022 11:44:37 GMT
Some years ago I had an appointment with an hospital consultant. I checked him out online ... and found that back in 1999, shortly after he'd qualified as a Consultant, he'd been arrested in a pharmacy whilst attempting to obtain drugs with a stolen prescription. He was heavily fined ... and suspended for 6 months. He left the country and worked in Saudia Arabia for ten years ... then returned to Britain as a specialist and worked in private practice before eventually working for the NHS again. The NHS is certainly not perfect, not helped by either Brexit or the handling of the NHS by the government. |
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