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Post by dappy on Dec 21, 2022 21:11:57 GMT
It would prevent re-offending, however.
Which releasing him on license won't.
He can't be released under licence, ever. Any future Home Secretary can do whatever they wish given the conditions and technology prevalent at the time. Its why in practice there is no difference between say a 30 year minimum time and a whole life sentence. This man's crimes are horrific and inexplicable and I can't imagine anyone would defend them for a moment. Personally I would never support Capital Punishment for reasons expressed many times, nor do I think any government will ever re-introduce it to this country. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 21, 2022 21:53:51 GMT
He can't be released under licence, ever. Any future Home Secretary can do whatever they wish given the conditions and technology prevalent at the time. Its why in practice there is no difference between say a 30 year minimum time and a whole life sentence. . . . complete fiction Please list anyone given a whole life tariff in the UK that has been released on licence. I can't name one because it hasn't ever happened but I can name several who died in jail |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 22, 2022 6:55:55 GMT
It would prevent re-offending, however.
Which releasing him on license won't.
He can't be released under licence, every. Still needs hanging. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 22, 2022 7:26:39 GMT
He should be sent to a Secure Mental Hospital for the rest of his life and kept under a medical cosh I agree he must of been mentally Ill to kill is victims in such a awful way .a craw hammer oh my gosh |
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Post by Steve on Dec 22, 2022 11:04:56 GMT
He should be sent to a Secure Mental Hospital for the rest of his life and kept under a medical cosh I agree he must of been mentally Ill to kill is victims in such a awful way .a craw hammer oh my gosh You don't think all those drugs he was taking (and some want legalised) might have something to do with it? |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 22, 2022 15:17:28 GMT
Nobody roped ever repeat offended.
It also saves the taxpayer a fortune.
In a case as clear cut as this, it's justified.
There was obviously the Barry George case which was about as watertight as a sponge, and a few other cases where murder convictions have been overturned.
So, whole life would have to be a consideration in less clear cut cases.
But in a case as clear as this.
Where's the case for keeping this bastard alive other than it being illegal to hang him?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 22, 2022 16:49:35 GMT
I agree he must of been mentally Ill to kill is victims in such a awful way .a craw hammer oh my gosh You don't think all those drugs he was taking (and some want legalised) might have something to do with it?
He chose to take them, so he still needs hanging.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 22, 2022 19:25:23 GMT
What an appalling case. What you both have said but we need to do more by looking for precursors and at the least warning people with children. We never get anything about the case on the news. You are never told why, just left wondering and thinking there is more to this that they will say. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 23, 2022 9:03:26 GMT
Nobody roped ever repeat offended. It also saves the taxpayer a fortune. In a case as clear cut as this, it's justified. There was obviously the Barry George case which was about as watertight as a sponge, and a few other cases where murder convictions have been overturned. So, whole life would have to be a consideration in less clear cut cases. But in a case as clear as this. Where's the case for keeping this bastard alive other than it being illegal to hang him?
Barry George was guilty. He got off on a technicality.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 23, 2022 11:31:42 GMT
Case for convicting Barry George for murdering Jill Dando had more holes in it than a sieve.
Sure, the man's a weirdo and a stalker, definitely a cunt, but a murderer? Case not adequately made.
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Post by Steve on Dec 23, 2022 12:02:07 GMT
You don't think all those drugs he was taking (and some want legalised) might have something to do with it?
He chose to take them, so he still needs hanging.
I wasn't defending him. That post of mine was about precursors we should also be looking at. I suggest the last thing in what was left of his mind as he was killing and raping was 'well at least they won't hang me' Hanging is no more effective than full life tariffs at preventing re-offending post conviction but as Enoch Powell argued, a factor that could well lead to acquittals of the guilty. IE hanging as an option actually makes further offending more likely. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 23, 2022 12:51:53 GMT
Case for convicting Barry George for murdering Jill Dando had more holes in it than a sieve... No it didn't. George was acquitted on the basis of one piece of forensic evidence being deemed unsafe. And his claims for wrongful imprisonment were dismissed. Which tells its own story. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 23, 2022 12:52:35 GMT
He chose to take them, so he still needs hanging.
I wasn't defending him. That post of mine was about precursors we should also be looking at. I suggest the last thing in what was left of his mind as he was killing and raping was 'well at least they won't hang me' Hanging is no more effective than full life tariffs at preventing re-offending post conviction but as Enoch Powell argued, a factor that could well lead to acquittals of the guilty. IE hanging as an option actually makes further offending more likely. Allegedly. But he should still hang. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 23, 2022 12:56:26 GMT
Case for convicting Barry George for murdering Jill Dando had more holes in it than a sieve... No it didn't. George was acquitted on the basis of one piece of forensic evidence being deemed unsafe. And his claims for wrongful imprisonment were dismissed. Which tells its own story. Yes it does, it shows how the police can fit you up and you may never ever get proper redress. He's far from the only wrongfully convicted that has never been properly compensated. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 23, 2022 13:15:37 GMT
Do behave, he wasn't fitted up. He was guilty and got off on a technicality.
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