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Post by jaydee on Dec 24, 2022 11:50:08 GMT
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Post by Tinculin on Dec 24, 2022 12:12:16 GMT
My main concern around anything to do with this bill is the impacts it will have on women and I do think people who are wanting to transition should be given a clean bill of mental health.
The reasons for this are I hope obvious, 1) I don't think the rights of women should be trampled over by any group of men, trans or otherwise & I think there is a conversation that needs to be had here which is currently being silenced & that's never a good idea when decision making. 2) When you undergo gender reassignment surgery, it's not reversible and so it's essential to make sure the person is making the choice of sound mind and body.
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Post by om15 on Dec 24, 2022 12:31:28 GMT
The rights of normal biological women to go to the lavatory or a changing room without fear of having their privacy invaded by a dangerous pervert who just happens to have filled in a piece of paper thus entitling them to intrude.
The rights of normal women are being railroaded out of the way in the quest for right on leftie dogma, I expected no less from the SNP, but mildly surprised that Starmer has taken advice to jump on the bandwagon.
Normal people are aghast at this nonsense, Tinculin sums it all up in his two points.
Jaydee, your posts on other topics do in fact demonstrate that you are rather odd, but I hadn't put you down as such a leftie nutter, think about your position, it isn't normal.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 24, 2022 13:26:51 GMT
Who I am or used to be, is irrelevant to the point. You have not researched a thing and that bigoted cartoon proves it. Yes, but when someone with three whole posts launches into me in a manner suggestive of prior knowledge, one can't help but to wonder who they might be. Especially considering that sock puppetry isn't exactly unknown in these parts and especially among those allegedly from north of the border.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 24, 2022 13:32:25 GMT
And did I perchance trigger Jaydee? His posts seem to have disappeared. Not that it matters since they're all the same anyway.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 24, 2022 16:06:23 GMT
Oh and I just heard on LBC that apparently Keir Starmer wants to adopt the proposed Scottish measures in England & Wales. Another good reason not to vote Labour.
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Post by research0it on Dec 24, 2022 16:38:51 GMT
Neither, Pacifico, does the transgender legislation trample on others rights, as the experience in other countries demonstrate.
Also squeezed middle, I have not particularly hid my identity and will tell all, if pressed and relevant. Your post is bigoted and absent of any research. Still. Without any prior knowledge of any other opinion you hold
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 24, 2022 18:18:01 GMT
Neither, Pacifico, does the transgender legislation trample on others rights, as the experience in other countries demonstrate. Of course it does. Transgender Legislation removes the right of Women to have single sex prisons, hospital wards, rape support centres etc etc. Gay Legislation removed nobody elses rights.
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Post by Steve on Dec 24, 2022 18:22:10 GMT
Neither, Pacifico, does the transgender legislation trample on others rights, as the experience in other countries demonstrate. Of course it does. Transgender Legislation removes the right of Women to have single sex prisons, hospital wards, rape support centres etc etc. Gay Legislation removed nobody elses rights. Actually there is nothing in any legislation or treaty etc that gives such a right to Women (to have single sex hospital wards etc) The issue should be one of what it the least net harm to all position, the SNP + fellow travellers have bizarrely gone for a least harm to a very very small number of people position giving no regard to the harm to ~50% of people who will feel threatened and invaded by people with penises in what they could rightly believe are penis free spaces. And that's why the SNP are so wrong on this
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Post by Tinculin on Dec 24, 2022 18:31:08 GMT
Neither, Pacifico, does the transgender legislation trample on others rights, as the experience in other countries demonstrate. Of course it does. Transgender Legislation removes the right of Women to have single sex prisons, hospital wards, rape support centres etc etc. Gay Legislation removed nobody elses rights. Correct, Gay rights was never about trampling over everyone else’s rights, it was purely about equality. And that’s the issue here, the whole trans debate is about giving trans people rights over woman (and men), and if you disagree, then you’re labelled a transphobe, which is a completely ludicrous position.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 24, 2022 18:44:48 GMT
Also squeezed middle, I have not particularly hid my identity and will tell all, if pressed and relevant. Your post is bigoted and absent of any research. Still. Without any prior knowledge of any other opinion you hold I don't actually care who you previously identified as, Researshit - but you've been busted.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 24, 2022 23:18:27 GMT
My main concern around anything to do with this bill is the impacts it will have on women and I do think people who are wanting to transition should be given a clean bill of mental health. The reasons for this are I hope obvious, 1) I don't think the rights of women should be trampled over by any group of men, trans or otherwise & I think there is a conversation that needs to be had here which is currently being silenced & that's never a good idea when decision making. 2) When you undergo gender reassignment surgery, it's not reversible and so it's essential to make sure the person is making the choice of sound mind and body. Exactly. It should be at least a 3 year process of assessment to make sure the person is not just going through a fad, starting minimum aged 18 and continuing to be assessed. At the end of 3 years, a person becomes eligible for surgery. Until surgery has been completed and private bits between legs altered, person remains their original birth sex on their birth certificate, driving licence, passport etcetera. There should never be a situation of a man with penis, being able to go to a women's prison because they "self identify".
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 24, 2022 23:56:44 GMT
Are you serious? FFS JD how many times did you land on your fuckin head? Or did one of our platforms land on you, which would of course be your fault. Anyhoo, ffs man wake up. This nonsense gender bill does nothing other than reduce the rights of women. For fuck sake man cant you see that? Ever since Queen Victoria was on the throne women have been fighting for equal rights. Now in the formative years of the 21st century just as women were achieving parity, you want men in dresses to share women's rights and women's spaces, for men to be called women. Joking apart, I have every respect for you but on this, you're wrong.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 25, 2022 0:32:27 GMT
The rights of normal biological women to go to the lavatory or a changing room without fear of having their privacy invaded by a dangerous pervert who just happens to have filled in a piece of paper thus entitling them to intrude. The rights of normal women are being railroaded out of the way in the quest for right on leftie dogma, I expected no less from the SNP, but mildly surprised that Starmer has taken advice to jump on the bandwagon. Normal people are aghast at this nonsense, Tinculin sums it all up in his two points. Jaydee, your posts on other topics do in fact demonstrate that you are rather odd, but I hadn't put you down as such a leftie nutter, think about your position, it isn't normal. Eddie Izzard plays the Labour party like a cheap fiddle. I'm not surprised, but it'll damage Starmer. Losing the women's vote could cost him big time.
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Post by research0it on Dec 25, 2022 1:10:19 GMT
Of course you'd have to correlate the likelihood of harm happening to 50 % of the population as against harm happening to a much smaller percentage.
Then compare.
It might come out one way or the other
I know the answer. None of you do.
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