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Post by jonksy on Jan 22, 2023 14:06:59 GMT
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Post by research0it on Jan 22, 2023 14:14:14 GMT
I think that is why Sturgeon has engineered this situation, as I mentioned before, the SNP has no more interest in the rights and welfare of trans people than they have in filling in their pot holes, they simply want a fight with Westminster. As you say Scotland does contain those without the powers of logic and independent thought who agree with her. But not enough to make a difference. Trans people have every right to be outraged at being used in this way. Hi Om15 I think you missed my question. If nicola sturgeon wanted to pick a fight with Westminster, why pick an issue that divides her own support? She's not stupid. Also the Scottish government was not exceeding it's powers. A section 35 is a different issue than exceeding their powers, which would be stopped in court. As has happened already, without the use of a section 35. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 22, 2023 14:15:43 GMT
Did you read this bit in the article jonsky? What i was saying earlier to my friend om about the uk tory government supporting this act until it became opportunistic to go against it...
Even the former scottish conservative leader jackson carlaw voted to support the bill.
All looking good to me though. Looks like another nail in the union coffin. Good old tories.
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Post by thomas on Jan 22, 2023 14:18:31 GMT
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Post by thomas on Jan 22, 2023 14:20:05 GMT
I think that is why Sturgeon has engineered this situation, as I mentioned before, the SNP has no more interest in the rights and welfare of trans people than they have in filling in their pot holes, they simply want a fight with Westminster. As you say Scotland does contain those without the powers of logic and independent thought who agree with her. But not enough to make a difference. Trans people have every right to be outraged at being used in this way. Hi Om15 I think you missed my question. If nicola sturgeon wanted to pick a fight with Westminster, why pick an issue that divides her own support? She's not stupid. Also the Scottish government was not exceeding it's powers. A section 35 is a different issue than exceeding their powers, which would be stopped in court. As has happened already, without the use of a section 35. quite clearly this is why devolution cannot and never will work , when you have an english veto over scottish democracy.
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Post by borchester on Jan 22, 2023 15:38:59 GMT
I think that is why Sturgeon has engineered this situation, as I mentioned before, the SNP has no more interest in the rights and welfare of trans people than they have in filling in their pot holes, they simply want a fight with Westminster. As you say Scotland does contain those without the powers of logic and independent thought who agree with her. But not enough to make a difference. Trans people have every right to be outraged at being used in this way. Hi Om15 I think you missed my question. If nicola sturgeon wanted to pick a fight with Westminster, why pick an issue that divides her own support? She's not stupid. Also the Scottish government was not exceeding it's powers. A section 35 is a different issue than exceeding their powers, which would be stopped in court. As has happened already, without the use of a section 35. She could be. Picking an issue that divides her support that is. Wee Krankie has been First Minister since forever and after a while that sort of thing sends folk a bit nutty. Even the Divine Margaret went a touch doolally at the end. The real issue is whether the electorate will see this legislation as one of Queen Nick's harmless little foibles or a Kiddie Fiddler's charter.
We shall see 
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Post by om15 on Jan 22, 2023 15:49:53 GMT
Why on earth did the Scots incorporate this into the devolution agreement and then sign it? And it isn't an English veto, it is a Westminster veto, it appears this pretty basic difference escapes you.
But I do agree, devolution is most certainly not working, as many Scots are starting to realise.
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Post by research0it on Jan 22, 2023 15:58:24 GMT
Hi Om15 I think you missed my question. If nicola sturgeon wanted to pick a fight with Westminster, why pick an issue that divides her own support? She's not stupid. Also the Scottish government was not exceeding it's powers. A section 35 is a different issue than exceeding their powers, which would be stopped in court. As has happened already, without the use of a section 35. She could be. Picking an issue that divides her support that is. Wee Krankie has been First Minister since forever and after a while that sort of thing sends folk a bit nutty. Even the Divine Margaret went a touch doolally at the end. The real issue is whether the electorate will see this legislation as one of Queen Nick's harmless little foibles or a Kiddie Fiddler's charter.
We shall see
Hi borchester So transgender people are kiddie fiddlers now? Dearie me. |
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Post by borchester on Jan 22, 2023 16:43:08 GMT
She could be. Picking an issue that divides her support that is. Wee Krankie has been First Minister since forever and after a while that sort of thing sends folk a bit nutty. Even the Divine Margaret went a touch doolally at the end. The real issue is whether the electorate will see this legislation as one of Queen Nick's harmless little foibles or a Kiddie Fiddler's charter.
We shall see
Hi borchester So transgender people are kiddie fiddlers now? Dearie me. |
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Post by borchester on Jan 22, 2023 16:48:58 GMT
Hi borchester So transgender people are kiddie fiddlers now? Dearie me. I can't say that I see it like that research0it. In fact, none of the trans I know are that way. Still, I dare say that you see things differently |
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Post by research0it on Jan 22, 2023 18:15:34 GMT
I can't say that I see it like that research0it. In fact, none of the trans I know are that way. Still, I dare say that you see things differently Hi borchester Sorry if I've misinterpreted you, but I got the impression that's what you wrote. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 22, 2023 20:46:13 GMT
Hi Om15 I think you missed my question. If nicola sturgeon wanted to pick a fight with Westminster, why pick an issue that divides her own support? She's not stupid. Also the Scottish government was not exceeding it's powers. A section 35 is a different issue than exceeding their powers, which would be stopped in court. As has happened already, without the use of a section 35. She could be. Picking an issue that divides her support that is. Wee Krankie has been First Minister since forever and after a while that sort of thing sends folk a bit nutty. Even the Divine Margaret went a touch doolally at the end. The real issue is whether the electorate will see this legislation as one of Queen Nick's harmless little foibles or a Kiddie Fiddler's charter.
We shall see
well how i see it borkie is the gender reform bill is a well meaning but needless distraction for wee nicky and the yes movement that didnt need to happen. I dont agree with it , and genuinely feared the worst.
...but just as wee nicky got the gun out , and took aim at her foot , your tories blundered in , took the gun off her , and proceeded to blow both their own feet off .
What should have been a suicidal act of self harm for wee nicky and the snp , has been turned around by those nice helpfull chaps in westminster.
Its that bad , my mate om is reduced to trying to sway scotlands public opinion using unelected lords  , while hoping a party that commands 18 % in the polls , and is predicted to lose most of their seats , are seen as scotlands saviour.
Lovely folk english tories and brexiters , but not the sharpest tools in the box.
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Post by thomas on Jan 22, 2023 20:59:45 GMT
Why on earth did the Scots incorporate this into the devolution agreement and then sign it? We didnt. Labour set holyrood up as a talking shop in their personal fiefdom , to appease the council of europe , while stealing 6000 miles of scottish seas in the process.
There were many wrongs in the devolution settlement , not least the english veto .
Power devolved is power detained , as they say , hence why we need independence.
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Post by borchester on Jan 22, 2023 21:26:45 GMT
She could be. Picking an issue that divides her support that is. Wee Krankie has been First Minister since forever and after a while that sort of thing sends folk a bit nutty. Even the Divine Margaret went a touch doolally at the end. The real issue is whether the electorate will see this legislation as one of Queen Nick's harmless little foibles or a Kiddie Fiddler's charter.
We shall see
well how i see it borkie is the gender reform bill is a well meaning but needless distraction for wee nicky and the yes movement that didnt need to happen. I dont agree with it , and genuinely feared the worst.
...but just as wee nicky got the gun out , and took aim at her foot , your tories blundered in , took the gun off her , and proceeded to blow both their own feet off .
What should have been a suicidal act of self harm for wee nicky and the snp , has been turned around by those nice helpfull chaps in westminster.
Its that bad , my mate om is reduced to trying to sway scotlands public opinion using unelected lords , while hoping a party that commands 18 % in the polls , and is predicted to lose most of their seats , are seen as scotlands saviour.
Lovely folk english tories and brexiters , but not the sharpest tools in the box.
26% at the last count Tommy and there is every indication that the Scots will soon give up their child like fantasies of making a mess of their own affairs and return to the comforting embrace of Whitehall. |
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Post by happyjack on Jan 23, 2023 3:14:58 GMT
i have done , and i cant see what you are talking about. As ever , happy jack is caught out telling porkie pies , and we can of course yet again dismiss your invented nonsense with the scorn it deserves. Just because you can’t find the comments does not mean that they are not there. However, rather than accept the possibility that you might just not have spotted them, you arrogantly assumed that the fault must lie with me and not you, and launched yourself into a childish and unnecessarily scornful unwarranted dismissal of what I posted. Where is the humility and dignity that you pompously declared yourself to possess? Anyway, there is zero invention in what I said above, so all of the scorn that you refer to and employed should be directed only at you. If you can’t see what I am talking about then you are either displaying your inability to read something that you don’t want to see, or your inability to concentrate sufficiently on what you are reading to pick out what you are looking for. Either way, it does not reflect well upon you. The other possibility, I suppose, is that you actually know that these comments exist and that what I say above is correct, but you don’t care about that and just wanted to goad and wind up. Provided that this final possibility was not the case here, try again and see if you can spot the relevant comments this time. They are hardly hidden away in vague suggestive language that is open to being overlooked. Rather, they are all clearly enough stated in a manner that an 11 year old with a modicum level of concentration power could easily find and recognise if he or she just applied himself or herself a little. So even if your little tirade above means that you are adopting your immature playground mode again you should still be able to spot them. |
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, while hoping a party that commands 18 % in the polls , and is predicted to lose most of their seats , are seen as scotlands saviour.