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Post by research0it on Jan 21, 2023 21:53:36 GMT
I know that it is popular among the dim witted SNP supporters to blame Westminster for everything, but even they must concede that it is illogical to blame Westminster for Sturgeon breaking the law. Anyway, Sturgeon and her baying brownshirt supporters have been slagging off Westminster and trying to pick a fight since 2014, now they have a fight and they are going to be stuffed. Good. I shall enjoy seeing Westminster give Sturgeon a good humiliating drubbing and will waste no opportunity to keep you up to date with the details. Hi Om15 But I'm not dim witted. I blame Westminster when they're to blame and Edinburgh, when it's them This time and this time only, it looks more like Westminster |
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Post by research0it on Jan 21, 2023 21:57:11 GMT
Why on earth should he, Sturgeon came up with this shite, why is it someone else's job to sort it out and make it legal, it is an embarrassing mess and a humiliation for Scotland and Sturgeon is to blame. Hi Om15 Well if someone says there is something wrong with something you've done, a reasonable response is to ask them specifically what they are objecting to and what they could amend to make it suit you? Your response would indicate that there is NOTHING to be done. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 22, 2023 12:05:27 GMT
trans folk already have access. ? Ye s- and look at the problems that has caused. making it easier for any Tom Dick or Harry to declare themselves a woman so as to gain to access protected spaces is not an improvement. you havent answered the question.
The question was what is the problem English law recognising scottish gender certificates.....you answered access to protected spaces , i said trans already have access to protected spaces , and you then go onto prevaricate further .
As i said pacifico , it seems to be nothing more than a tory storm in a brit nat tea cup over the dastard scots getting above westmisnter and daring to tweak things differently.
The main laws for trans already are in place and exist in both our countries , this tweaks things to make the mechanism to transition easier.
The argument rage back and forth , but the english tory government opportunistically blundering into something they previously had no issue with when they instructed their politicians in scotland to have a free vote on the matter , and indeed former tory leader like theresa may openly supported when in power , is laughably backfiring on them spectacularly.
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Post by thomas on Jan 22, 2023 12:06:55 GMT
i have not once hinted or said the scottish parliament sets the uk passport. Your failure to back up your latest lies by being unable to quote me speaks volumes as ever.
Dismissed happy , and sent to the back of the class for bad behaviour.
Of course you have and I don’t need to quote you (although I could if I wanted to) for that to be true. Just follow your words back through this thread
i have done , and i cant see what you are talking about. As ever , happy jack is caught out telling porkie pies , and we can of course yet again dismiss your invented nonsense with the scorn it deserves. |
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Post by om15 on Jan 22, 2023 12:22:02 GMT
It isn't Mr Jack's opinion, it is a matter of law. The Scottish Parliament has no powers to pass anything that can affect UK law, in this case they did so, either through mischief or incompetence, it is not the job of anyone in Westminster to sort it out.
Sturgeon should obey the law, if she can't understand the law she should fund competent people to advise her, but all this is nonsense, she wanted to pick a fight with Westminster and it is no good name calling when Westminster doesn't roll over.
She is out of her league taking on Westminster, as you will find out as this unfolds.
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Post by thomas on Jan 22, 2023 12:23:37 GMT
It isn't Mr Jack's opinion, it is a matter of law. The Scottish Parliament has no powers to pass anything that can affect UK law, in this case they did so, either through mischief or incompetence, it is not the job of anyone in Westminster to sort it out. Sturgeon should obey the law, if she can't understand the law she should fund competent people to advise her, but all this is nonsense, she wanted to pick a fight with Westminster and it is no good name calling when Westminster doesn't roll over. She is out of her league taking on Westminster, as you will find out as this unfolds.
Aileen McHarg, Professor of Public Law and Human Rights at Durham Law School, told the Sunday National: “The GRR Bill doesn’t directly change the Equality Act; it has consequential effects on it via changing the criteria for getting a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC), which is regarded as changing legal sex for the purposes of the Equality Act (and other purposes).
“It is certainly debatable whether those indirect effects are sufficient to trigger the use of Section 35.”
She added: “The phrase in Section 35 is that the Bill makes ‘modifications of the law as it applies to reserved matters’, which is somewhat obscure – and since the power has never been used before, there is no judicial guidance on what it means.”
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Post by om15 on Jan 22, 2023 12:39:21 GMT
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Post by thomas on Jan 22, 2023 12:52:15 GMT
"lord" Hope and "viceroy" jack disagree with scots government ? 
That will of course sway public opinion in scotland behind the english tory government in another country. lmfao.
You seem to be missing my point here om , as ever . Can the uk government strike this down? of course they can.
Ive already read the opinions of lord hope and people like charlie falconer. As Falconer points out though , the question is political not legal. Should the uk government strike this bill down? Falconer points out this is going to be disasterous for the uk government to do so.
Wiser heads at westmisnter would normally have left this to run without interfering. Sturgeon would then have come under pressure within scotland. Instead , the dimwits at tory hq in london have jumped in feet first , and allowed sturgeon to turn this around as an attack on scottish democracy , which doesnt play well with the scottish public.
There will be legal opinions for and against , but i think falconers hits closer to the mark than any i have read. The political consequences of the uk striking this down is going to be disasterous for the union.
Fully enjoying watching it all play out. I suspect sturgeon is secretly hoping the tories do indeed strike this bill down.
Pass the popcorn om....
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Post by om15 on Jan 22, 2023 12:59:56 GMT
I think that many Scots will be relieved that Westminster has stepped in, and will be very thoughtful about what Scotland would be like as an Independent country under Sturgeon and her Green lunatics, I read now that one of the old Green women wants the age limit on choosing to be a freak lowered to 8 years old, what on earth sort on country do you want to live in?
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Post by om15 on Jan 22, 2023 13:04:46 GMT
I think that is why Sturgeon has engineered this situation, as I mentioned before, the SNP has no more interest in the rights and welfare of trans people than they have in filling in their pot holes, they simply want a fight with Westminster. As you say Scotland does contain those without the powers of logic and independent thought who agree with her. But not enough to make a difference.
Trans people have every right to be outraged at being used in this way.
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Post by thomas on Jan 22, 2023 13:08:51 GMT
I think that many Scots will be relieved that Westminster has stepped in, That relieved the polls are showing independence support skyrocketing ?
Rubbish. You are letting your personal fantasises cloud reality as ever. The whole point of independence is of course to do your own thing , including making mistakes ,and rectifying those mistakes.
How many times do you need told independence wont be about the snp or the greens? I fully believe the old snp will disintegrate , and new parties will emerge .
The point here yet again , i will remind you one more time , isnt now about wether people agree or disagree with this billl ......its now beyond that into a foregin government interfering in scottish democracy.
The idea scots , whom the vast majority support the scottish parliament with only 8 % on average against , who hate the tories , who havent won an election in scotland in history as a one nation british conservative party , and you have to go back to 1955 to the old scottish conservative and unionist party which was seperate to the english one to find the last political victory , are now going to see an english tory government as some sort of "saviour" shows how fucking out of touch and out of reality you really are as jaydee consistently tells you.
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Post by thomas on Jan 22, 2023 13:15:24 GMT
I think that is why Sturgeon has engineered this situation, as I mentioned before, the SNP has no more interest in the rights and welfare of trans people than they have in filling in their pot holes, they simply want a fight with Westminster. This bill and the discussions around it has been ongoing since 2016. Its been all over scottish papers for the last 7 years.
In that time , the english tory party has supported the bill , even let its msps in scotland have a free vote on the matter , and then opportunistically blundered into it by threatening to apply section 35. So the only people i see engineering the situation is your government in london.
Sturgeon has been consistent throughout.
Whats going to be even funnier is when starmer takes power in london , and then brings in the english version of this bill to your country , which he openly supports.
All this damage to the union by the dimwit tories to strike down a bill that labour will introduce in around 16 months time seems totally stupid from the union point of view and a complete pyrrhic victory in the making.
Not the sharpest tools in the box are they? But we have already saw that with defeat after defeat by the wee irish parliament and brussells over the big boys( no laughing please) at westminster.
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Post by thomas on Jan 22, 2023 13:23:32 GMT
I think that many Scots will be relieved that Westminster has stepped in, This really is one of the most hilarous comments i have read from you.
Scottish voting intentions for the next UK general election (Survation / True North)
SNP 43% (-1)
Labour 29% (-2)
Conservatives 18% (+2)
Liberal Democrats 7% (+1)
The tories are that hated in scotland they are down to around 18 % in the scottish polls , and predicted to face at best the loss of half their current seats when the next election comes around , to at worst facing almost a complete wipe out in scotland , and you imply they will be seen by scots as some sort of political saviour over trans rights?
There is no reasonable explanation for your ridiculous comment other than once again posting personal fantasy , and what you wish to happen , rather than what is actually happening on the ground.
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Post by om15 on Jan 22, 2023 13:34:00 GMT
We'll see. It would appear that I am not the only indulging in wishful thinking.
We have been listening to all this for ten years now, and here you are, still in the Union.
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Post by thomas on Jan 22, 2023 13:38:34 GMT
We'll see. It would appear that I am not the only indulging in wishful thinking. We have been listening to all this for ten years now, and here you are, still in the Union. We can always rely on you om to have your finger on the pulse of scottish politics.
We have been listening to you whine for over forty years about the european union..........and theres northern ireland , still part of it , and labour poised to take engerlund back in in around 16 months time.
I thought you told us everyone is out of westmsinter league when it comes to imperial power and prestige? All little england has left is squaring up to the mighty scotland over devolved issues , while the big boys around the world annex your territory.
Sunak has already given up on Northern Ireland
The government is preparing to capitulate to the EU’s demand to carve up the UK.
Last week, Belfast was graced by the visits of UK foreign secretary James Cleverly, leader of the opposition Sir Keir Starmer and Irish foreign minister Micheál Martin. All were there to meet local party leaders and to persuade the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) to restore devolved government in Stormont. Unsurprisingly, they failed, as none of them gave any indication that he wanted to remove the Northern Ireland Protocol – the very reason for the DUP’s decision to collapse power sharing. Worse still, while James Cleverly was in Belfast, the UK government – via statutory instrument – quietly gave itself the power to build an international border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
This was an extraordinary development, although it received hardly any attention from the media. What other sovereign country in the world would, at the behest of a foreign power, put a customs border down the middle of its own country?
‘Article 64 (1) of OCR 2017 / 625’, the regulation the UK government is seeking to give effect to, requires there to be border-control posts at the entry into the European Union. By opting to potentially build those posts in Northern Ireland, the government is accepting the principle that Northern Ireland is to be treated as part of the customs territory of the European Union.
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