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Post by Bentley on Jan 20, 2023 12:00:15 GMT
Nope. That was just the product of the chip on your shoulder affecting your brain cell. One can not be bothered if the Scots leave the union and at the same time be cordial with the very same Scots. Your views are twisted by your petty character. You tend to see yourself in people that you don’t like. I suggest that the root cause of this condition has stemmed from childhood . Were you a disappointment to your mother ? Let me repeat what you said. What I asked was roughly ‘ how will you feel when you find out that the English don’t care a fuck when Scotland leaves the union. As you now lie through your teeth denying what you said. And hefre is where you said.it. See link below. So how about you telling me what you meant. As once more you duck dive and weave in stupidity. And matey guess what. You have just said it again. One can not be bothered if the Scots leave the union and at the same time be cordial with the very same Scots. Who the hell does one think you are. Jings at the same time being cordial. FFS Matey. You are nothing but another self deluded silly little Englander. That is in your brain. You cannot help yourself. So for someone who has ranted the English could not give a fuck about the Scots. What are you doing on here. And what is your problem with the GRR bill. ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/46244/threadAnother Groundhog Day moment for the forum fickie. The..English..can ..not..be..bothered..if ..the …Scots…leave ..the ..union..but..still..give..a..fuck..about..Scottish…people.. I suggest breathing into a paper bag between reading the words. You might be bitter and twisted but it doesn’t give you permission to twist others words. |
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Post by jaydee on Jan 20, 2023 12:01:44 GMT
Mr Speaker, I have just won a ten pound note. Indeed you have. It was the booby prize. So let me ask you again. How does Scottish law affect you. You said it did. Elucidate please. How has the law as it stands in England. Stopped men dressed as woman from assaulting woman. That is what you said. And what exactly is your problem with the GRR law in Scotland. You have not explained. and what has Buckie to do with it. Whatever that is. |
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Post by jaydee on Jan 20, 2023 12:11:51 GMT
Let me repeat what you said. What I asked was roughly ‘ how will you feel when you find out that the English don’t care a fuck when Scotland leaves the union. As you now lie through your teeth denying what you said. And hefre is where you said.it. See link below. So how about you telling me what you meant. As once more you duck dive and weave in stupidity. And matey guess what. You have just said it again. One can not be bothered if the Scots leave the union and at the same time be cordial with the very same Scots. Who the hell does one think you are. Jings at the same time being cordial. FFS Matey. You are nothing but another self deluded silly little Englander. That is in your brain. You cannot help yourself. So for someone who has ranted the English could not give a fuck about the Scots. What are you doing on here. And what is your problem with the GRR bill. ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/46244/threadAnother Groundhog Day moment for the forum fickie. The..English..can ..not..be..bothered..if ..the …Scots…leave ..the ..union..but..still..give..a..fuck..about..Scottish…people.. I suggest breathing into a paper bag between reading the words. You might be bitter and twisted but it doesn’t give you permission to twist others words. So you are now denying and lying through your teeth . And that is not what you said as you move the goal post again. This is what you said how will you feel when you find out that the English don’t care a fuck when Scotland leaves the union. That is what you said on the link I gave . How is suddenly different on translation. So as one that's you. does not give a fuck. What are you doing on here. And what is your problem with the GGR bill. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 20, 2023 12:15:30 GMT
Another Groundhog Day moment for the forum fickie. The..English..can ..not..be..bothered..if ..the …Scots…leave ..the ..union..but..still..give..a..fuck..about..Scottish…people.. I suggest breathing into a paper bag between reading the words. You might be bitter and twisted but it doesn’t give you permission to twist others words. So you are now denying and lying through your teeth . And that is not what you said as you move the goal post again. This is what you said how will you feel when you find out that the English don’t care a fuck when Scotland leaves the union. That is what you said on the link I gave . How is suddenly different on translation. So as one that's you. does not give a fuck. What are you doing on here. And what is your problem with the GGR bill. It’s not a different translation , it’s the same idiot who can’t understand what he reads. That’s you by the way. |
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Post by jaydee on Jan 20, 2023 12:23:25 GMT
I am not trying to win you over, research0it, and neither is anyone else on here, as far as I can see. In fact, I am still waiting to be won over to the Indy supporting side myself and have even explained how simple it should be for the Indy supporters amongst us to achieve that, but so far they have produced nothing and, I increasingly suspect, never will. Indeed, thus far, their behaviour towards me has simply served to entrench me somewhat in the No territory. Let me remind you of what you did say. No, my analysis is not based upon tying in of independence with a referendum. I am simply saying that on the one occasion where Sturgeon clearly lost a plebiscite in Scotland, or lost the Scottish element of a UK or EU plebiscite, either as leader or deputy leader of the SNP (and that goes back almost 20 years now) she has not honoured the result. That just happened to be in the Indy referendum of 2014.
As I said, it is easy to accept democratic outcomes when you are on the winning side, but it is how we react when we lose that demonstrates our democratic credentials. She showed no respect for the democratic outcome on that occasion so, based upon the evidence rather than the rhetoric, it is fair to say that she is only a democrat when she wins.
Oh dear he is now replacing the phrase risk assessment with the word analysis. So could you explain in this analysis of yours. How the FM showed no respect for the democratic outcome on that occasion what evidence is it based on. And on what evidence rather than the rhetoric. Is it fair to say that she is only a democrat when she wins. That is what you said. Unlike Sunak she was elected as FM. I take it like risk assessment you do not even understand yourself what you have just posted. As do all statement makers. I await with bated breath more waffle and no answer. You have supplied that. On top of which you stated you were waiting to see the outcome of the economy. I gave you it to the penny. So what are you waiting for. You have not answered one question on what you posted, As you again duck dive and weave with another poster. Waffling rubbish |
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Post by jaydee on Jan 20, 2023 12:48:25 GMT
So you are now denying and lying through your teeth . And that is not what you said as you move the goal post again. This is what you said how will you feel when you find out that the English don’t care a fuck when Scotland leaves the union. That is what you said on the link I gave . How is suddenly different on translation. So as one that's you. does not give a fuck. What are you doing on here. And what is your problem with the GGR bill. It’s not a different translation , it’s the same idiot who can’t understand what he reads. That’s you by the way. Stop lying through your silly little Englander teeth and making a total prat of your self. It is a totally different translation. This is your rant.. how will you feel when you find out that the English don’t care a fuck when Scotland leaves the union. So in that grey matter between your lugs which you call a brain . How does that now translate to your now goal post move of The English can not be bothered if the Scot leave the union but still give a fuck about Scottish people Matey your stupidity is in a class of its own. You cannot even lie without making a arse of yourself. . You do not even have the balls to admit you are a out and out little Englander Jock hater. End off. As you now try and grovel that you are really into hug a Jock. The initial quote from you being, and you know it. Was The English do not give a fuck about the Jocks. Despite that being shot down. You cannot even recall what you posted 10 minutes ago. I think OM15 is about to lose his record. Take your time on answering as i am off for my siesta. Laughing my bollocks of at this hilarity from you. . By the way I asked you yesterday. Are you getting eggs, milk and bread in bankrupt England. I hear bankr robbers are now egg robbers. They are now more expensive than diesel |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 20, 2023 12:52:16 GMT
It’s not a different translation , it’s the same idiot who can’t understand what he reads. That’s you by the way. Stop lying through your silly little Englander teeth and making a total prat of your self. It is a totally different translation. This is your rant.. how will you feel when you find out that the English don’t care a fuck when Scotland leaves the union. So in that grey matter between your lugs which you call a brain . How does that now translate to your now goal post move of The English can not be bothered if the Scot leave the union but still give a fuck about Scottish people Matey your stupidity is in a class of its own. You cannot even lie without making a arse of yourself. . You do not even have the balls to admit you are a out and out little Englander Jock hater. End off. As you now try and grovel that you are really into hug a Jock. The initial quote from you being, and you know it. Was The English do not give a fuck about the Jocks. Despite that being shot down. You cannot even recall what you posted 10 minutes ago. I think OM15 is about to lose his record. Take your time on answering as i am off for my siesta. Laughing my bollocks of at this hilarity from you. . By the way I asked you yesterday. Are you getting eggs, milk and bread in bankrupt England. I hear bankr robbers are now egg robbers. They are now more expensive than diesel The English could consider that the Scot’s leaving the union will not have a negative effect on England ie not give a fuck but still be ok with the Scot’s themselves . If I have to make it more simple for your Mcbrain to understand we will need glove puppets and a responsible adult to help you . |
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Post by research0it on Jan 20, 2023 17:51:17 GMT
Hi happyjack The only way that I can interpret what you say here is that the campaign to obtain another referendum means a refusal to accept the outcome of the first one. I don't see it like that. Refusal to accept would mean going independent, despite the result. Or another way. Do you see anything undemocratic about an independence supporting party continuing to campaign for independence, despite losing a vote (I use the word vote deliberately)? Or would you see anything wrong with the union supporting side campaigning to overturn that result, if it had gone the other way? In my case I see nothing wrong with either. I even remember saying during the 2014 campaign that if the losers get above 40% , it won't settle it. The difficulties arise from how both sides have gone about those campaigns. Campaigning for independence has meant campaigning for a referendum. Not campaigning to win people over. Campaigning for the union has meant campaigning to stop a referendum. Not campaigning to win people over In that respect both sides are wrong. Where's the arguments to win the likes of me over? Nowhere. . In fact, I am still waiting to be won over to the Indy supporting side myself and have even explained how simple it should be for the Indy supporters amongst us to achieve that, but so far they have produced nothing and, I increasingly suspect, never will. Indeed, thus far, their behaviour towards me has simply served to entrench me somewhat in the No territory. Most of what you ask has been discussed already between us on the old site, when we both operated under different names, so you already know my views on that stuff. I won’t therefore go over it again, if that’s ok, but will just focus on the areas that you raise that I don’t remember us addressing back then. I don’t think that an independence supporting party should give up on its aspiration, but I do think that it is incumbent upon the losers in such a divisive and societally damaging contest as the 2014 indyref to lay low for a respectful period and allow time for the deep wounds to heal and for stability to return to the nation and its people. I also believe that where that independence supporting party is also the party of government, then that duty is much more pressing and that that party should honour not only the result of the referendum, but also the rhetoric that its leaders employed throughout the referendum campaign. I am thinking here particularly of the once in a generation/ lifetime strapline that both Sturgeon and Salmond employed, obviously. Moving on to the SNP ScotGov then, irrespective of party affiliations, it is surely an over-arching duty of any First Minister and Deputy First Minister in particular, to govern for all of the people and to strive to maintain harmony and stability throughout Scottish society. This burden and responsibility was never greater than in the aftermath of the Indyref but, far from rise to the occasion, they, and their government, spectacularly failed to even try. That is not simply ignoring the democratic will of the Scottish people but a clear dereliction of duty in my view. Hi Happyjack I am not trying to win you over, research0it, and neither is anyone else on here, as far as I can see
It is not your job to win me over, it's the UK government (on the union's side), and the Independence supporting parties (on the independence side). Both are failing miserably In fact, I am still waiting to be won over to the Indy supporting side myself and have even explained how simple it should be for the Indy supporters amongst us to achieve that, but so far they have produced nothing and, I increasingly suspect, never will
Well, my first post was about what I saw as the crucial issue for both sides - the under development of Scotland, caused by lack of investment. So if the side you don't support came up with detailed proposals to sort all that, would that potentially move you to switch? I don’t think that an independence supporting party should give up on its aspiration, but I do think that it is incumbent upon the losers in such a divisive and societally damaging contest as the 2014 indyref to lay low for a respectful period and allow time for the deep wounds to heal and for stability to return to the nation and its people
that's a fair point. Only my experience of the 2014 campaign id it was the most engaged Scotland has ever been with an issue. The debates were healthy and respectful (by and large). I don't see any deep wounds. The whole issue chuntering on has produced poor governance for Scotland, but that's a different issue. I also believe that where that independence supporting party is also the party of government, then that duty is much more pressing and that that party should honour not only the result of the referendum, but also the rhetoric that its leaders employed throughout the referendum campaign. I am thinking here particularly of the once in a generation/ lifetime strapline that both Sturgeon and Salmond employed, obviously.
well, I am starting to think, you either campaign for independence, or govern. Not both. The generation thing only applied to a referendum (if that's what they meant). As I've said both sides are obsessed by a getting or opposing referendum.It should not be like that. It's a bit like a discussion of where to go on Holiday. If that negotiation is taking place between members of the proposed party, the discussion is all about where. Then people generally list the pros and cons of one place or anotherScotland is locked in a debate and argument about the route and travel method, to the detriment of all
Moving on to the SNP ScotGov then, irrespective of party affiliations, it is surely an over-arching duty of any First Minister and Deputy First Minister in particular, to govern for all of the people and to strive to maintain harmony and stability throughout Scottish society. This burden and responsibility was never greater than in the aftermath of the Indyref but, far from rise to the occasion, they, and their government, spectacularly failed to even try. That is not simply ignoring the democratic will of the Scottish people but a clear dereliction of duty in my view.
I agree. Except I would not say that the first minister and deputy are complete failures in this respect. If you take away their obsession with a referendum (which is a clear failure), then they have tried to to do their best for all, and generally, their record in government is passable. My opinion only of course. |
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Post by research0it on Jan 20, 2023 18:04:04 GMT
Hi happyjack
I give up with this fizzin editor, I hope you can make out my comments above,
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Post by research0it on Jan 20, 2023 18:10:45 GMT
The following describes the situation more succinctly than I can, Michael Foran is a Senior Fellow at Policy Exchange and Lecturer in Public Law at the University of Glasgow. Sturgeon has deliberately operated outside her authority in order to have a row with Westminster, her thick supporters can't see that (refer to Jaydees posts for evidence of that), 75% of Scots don't support it and it is obvious that she is doing all this for political reasons, she is disgusting. Hi om15 Technically the Scottish Government hasn't operated outside it's authority, it's passed a law that could affect a UK act. So the Scottish Government were correct to try, and the UK government correct to step in. How many Scots support or don't support it is irrelevant. Sometimes doing the right thing is unpopular. You should know that this bill has been going through consultation and various stages for years. Was it beyond the wit of the UK government to say something along the way, and not wait till the very last minute? |
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Post by om15 on Jan 20, 2023 18:40:53 GMT
As I mentioned before, Kemi Badenoch has tried to talk to the SNP but has been fucked off, they didn't want to know. Trying to discuss things with Sturgeon would be like talking to Jaydee, so that argument won't wash for two minutes.
I think how many Scots support this Perverts Charter will be quite relevant at the next election. I see that the SNP are failing to get to their 50% target, stuck around 43% or so, and support for a Seperated Scotland is 46% against 54% so they are going nowhere at the moment.
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Post by research0it on Jan 20, 2023 20:01:39 GMT
As I mentioned before, Kemi Badenoch has tried to talk to the SNP but has been fucked off, they didn't want to know. Trying to discuss things with Sturgeon would be like talking to Jaydee, so that argument won't wash for two minutes. I think how many Scots support this Perverts Charter will be quite relevant at the next election. I see that the SNP are failing to get to their 50% target, stuck around 43% or so, and support for a Seperated Scotland is 46% against 54% so they are going nowhere at the moment. Hi Om15 They're going nowhere because they're doing the wrong thing. Can I digress? When you use "pervert", who do you mean? 1, Transgender people 2. Those who may pretend to be transgender to do bad things 3. Both |
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Post by research0it on Jan 20, 2023 20:07:15 GMT
As I mentioned before, Kemi Badenoch has tried to talk to the SNP but has been fucked off, they didn't want to know. Trying to discuss things with Sturgeon would be like talking to Jaydee, so that argument won't wash for two minutes. I think how many Scots support this Perverts Charter will be quite relevant at the next election. I see that the SNP are failing to get to their 50% target, stuck around 43% or so, and support for a Seperated Scotland is 46% against 54% so they are going nowhere at the moment. Hi Om15 2 Why do you do this? Nicola Sturgeon has enough real faults to pick on, why invent one? Or 100? This bill took 6 years to go through the consultation stages etc. All views were sought from anyone who had an interest. Not discussing things isn't one of her faults. The uk has actually tipped them off before that a piece of legislation was potentially treading on their toes and the Scottish government either changed course or abandoned it. So why not this time? |
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Post by research0it on Jan 21, 2023 12:50:59 GMT
Hi everyone
Just thought I'd let you all know that there is a demonstration by transgender people in George Square right now, showing how they feel about the uk government and it's actions.
Devastated is an understatement about how they feel. Struggling for decades to get a small part of the UK to see their point of view, finally getting there. Then, from their point of view, the uk government deciding that they're still freaks and perverts. Not saying that's the uk government's view, it's what they think.
No one on here seems to have any empathy for them. Except maybe happyjack and me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 12:55:46 GMT
Hi everyone Just thought I'd let you all know that there is a demonstration by transgender people in George Square right now, showing how they feel about the uk government and it's actions. Devastated is an understatement about how they feel. Struggling for decades to get a small part of the UK to see their point of view, finally getting there. Then, from their point of view, the uk government deciding that they're still freaks and perverts. Not saying that's the uk government's view, it's what they think. No one on here seems to have any empathy for them. Except maybe happyjack and me. Unfortunately, Mrs Thatcher took away a lot of mental health beds from the NHS and now we have "care in the community". What a shame that happened. |
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