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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 18, 2022 11:15:50 GMT
If the French can refuse to allow migrant boats to land on it's coast, and deport illegals to Italy, why cant we refuse to allow illegals from France to land on our coast, and when they do, why cant we deport them back to France? The EU/French authorities seem to be saying it's OK for France to stop illegals landing on it's coast and to deport them if they do. But it's not OK for the UK to do the same. Punishment for Brexit? www.trtworld.com/europe/france-to-deport-dozens-of-migrants-rescued-by-ship-in-italy-row-62571 |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 18, 2022 11:35:44 GMT
Well as even the Shadow Home Secretary wants open borders allowing whoever wants to come to the UK to arrive, it's obvious that the UK is not France..
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 18, 2022 11:36:28 GMT
I'm not sure I'm fully qualified to answer, but your link indicates that the illegals being deported from France are those whose asylum claim has been rejected. They are being deported to their country of origin.
I think the UK can do the same with its own failed asylum seekers, can't it?
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 18, 2022 11:55:26 GMT
I'm not sure I'm fully qualified to answer, but your link indicates that the illegals being deported from France are those whose asylum claim has been rejected. They are being deported to their country of origin. I think the UK can do the same with its own failed asylum seekers, can't it? As I understand it the French are deporting Africans to Italy, presumably because Italy was there intended destination. Also, according to the link, this is the first time the French have ever allowed a migrant boat to land on it's shores. If the French refuse to allow migrants to land on French soil, why shouldn't we do the same? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 18, 2022 11:59:29 GMT
This is what the article at your link says: "France has rejected asylum applications from 44 of the 234 migrants rescued in the Mediterranean by the Ocean Viking NGO ship, who will be returned to their country of origin, Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said." No reference to Italy, or to the EU. Barking up the wrong tree again I'm afraid.
How is it France can do this - send unwanted migrants home - but the UK can't?
'Brussels' is the wrong answer.
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Post by dappy on Dec 18, 2022 12:15:48 GMT
Red, you really do need to learn to read your links before posting them. They so rarely say what you hope they do.
In this case, we are discussing berthing of a large sea worthy rescue boat not dangerous non seaworthy dinghies. Do you see the difference.
France is processing these claims and is deporting those judged to have failed their asylum claim back to their home country not Italy.
France and Italy are both members of the EU and hence the Dublin2 regulations would apply between them. We left the EU giving up dublin2 rights along with so much more.
For context France receives and processes considerably more asylum applications than the UK.
I think you may have to find another source for todays outrage fix…..
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 18, 2022 12:22:31 GMT
This is what the article at your link says: "France has rejected asylum applications from 44 of the 234 migrants rescued in the Mediterranean by the Ocean Viking NGO ship, who will be returned to their country of origin, Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said." No reference to Italy, or to the EU. Barking up the wrong tree again I'm afraid.
How is it France can do this - send unwanted migrants home - but the UK can't?
'Brussels' is the wrong answer.
OK Dan, try this. The EU state of France refuses to allow immigrant boats to land on French soil. But the French look the other way as immigrants leave France bound for England. French interior minister Gérald Darmanin even said it was the UK's fault for 'attracting' them. Double standards? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 18, 2022 14:06:01 GMT
Maybe.
But the question still remains: if France can do it, why can't the UK?
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Post by dappy on Dec 18, 2022 14:19:38 GMT
Don’t feed Red’s persecution complex Dan.
Do what?
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Post by Orac on Dec 18, 2022 14:20:22 GMT
I think it's a fair question.
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Post by Steve on Dec 18, 2022 18:40:06 GMT
If the French can refuse to allow migrant boats to land on it's coast, and deport illegals to Italy, why cant we refuse to allow illegals from France to land on our coast, and when they do, why cant we deport them back to France? The EU/French authorities seem to be saying it's OK for France to stop illegals landing on it's coast and to deport them if they do. But it's not OK for the UK to do the same. Punishment for Brexit? www.trtworld.com/europe/france-to-deport-dozens-of-migrants-rescued-by-ship-in-italy-row-62571Well I don't qualify for your criteria to answer your question so just an observation: what a stupid ill thought through (if at all) inane rant posing as a question. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 21, 2022 8:57:24 GMT
France and Italy are both members of the EU and hence the Dublin2 regulations would apply between them. We left the EU giving up dublin2 rights along with so much more. For context France receives and processes considerably more asylum applications than the UK. I think you may have to find another source for todays outrage fix….. Bollocks. Dublin2 was useless. Migrationwatch
France does process more asylum applications than the UK but it rejects most of them and those that are rejected usually turn up on our shores - and we seem to accept about 98% of them. And those that we reject we don't seem to be able to deport. The EU are actually quite good at stopping unwanted migrants. They pay Turkey billions every year to detain asylum seekers in camps in Turkey, and those that do get to the EU (usually via Italy or Greece) are then funneled to the UK via small boats. Nice work. Our problem is that we have a massive Leftie judiciary who spend their time helping lowlife to stay in the country - aided and abetted by our MPs and many charities. |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 21, 2022 10:37:55 GMT
This is what the article at your link says: "France has rejected asylum applications from 44 of the 234 migrants rescued in the Mediterranean by the Ocean Viking NGO ship, who will be returned to their country of origin, Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said." No reference to Italy, or to the EU. Barking up the wrong tree again I'm afraid.
How is it France can do this - send unwanted migrants home - but the UK can't?
'Brussels' is the wrong answer.
OK Dan, try this. The EU state of France refuses to allow immigrant boats to land on French soil. But the French look the other way as immigrants leave France bound for England. French interior minister Gérald Darmanin even said it was the UK's fault for 'attracting' them. Double standards? Very few migrants arrive in France via the sea. Most travel overland from the East. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 21, 2022 14:20:40 GMT
I'm not sure I'm fully qualified to answer, but your link indicates that the illegals being deported from France are those whose asylum claim has been rejected. They are being deported to their country of origin. I think the UK can do the same with its own failed asylum seekers, can't it? No when it tried to send a plane load of such back all but a handful were refused entry at the immigration control desk if the country they were deported to. So we had to bring them back. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 21, 2022 14:49:17 GMT
OK Dan, try this. The EU state of France refuses to allow immigrant boats to land on French soil. But the French look the other way as immigrants leave France bound for England. French interior minister Gérald Darmanin even said it was the UK's fault for 'attracting' them. Double standards? Very few migrants arrive in France via the sea. Most travel overland from the East. Correct, and that's because the French refuse to allow migrant boats to land in France. Yet they look the other way as migrants in their tens of thousands pay criminals to get them from France to England. Double standards? When you say most migrants travel [to France] from the east, you mean Italy and Germany. And the trip from Italy and Germany to France is made all the easier because of the EU's insane policy of open borders. |
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