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Post by Pacifico on Dec 19, 2022 7:42:57 GMT
An alternative view of the New Labour years...
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 19, 2022 7:46:47 GMT
This is true. However the issue is not about managers managing...it's about Redwood's inability to grasp that it doesn't matter how many more beds some MBA type might arrange to have made available, beds need staff. You can put as many beds in as space will allow, but if senior nurses don't have enough staff to provide care to people in those beds, they will stay empty. Nowhere more obvious than the spanking new Llantarnam Grange. Nice place. Lots of kit. Beds that cause back problems because of the way they tilt and so on without providing proper support at the hinge area. IT systems that don’t work and fire doors that don’t release. Staff levels so bad they are relying on agency staff that can’t get their id credentials recognised by the medicine dispensing machines and high profile newspaper campaigns showing how the NHS in wales is being propped up by continued pillaging of the trained staff of other countries masking the fact all of those imported staff are sent home at their own expense a few months down the line because the management have frittered away the budget to pay them. Want to find out the east way ? Fall ill in Cwmbran but you’ll need a mate with a van and a couple of planks to run you in to it there are no ambulances. |
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Post by Morgan on Dec 19, 2022 8:22:09 GMT
Who cares who began dismantling the NHS? The Tories have been destroying it ever since. Little by little they have started charging for services which should have remained free especially for the elderly. They won't be happy until people are dying for lack of enough money to get the service they need.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 19, 2022 8:27:38 GMT
Who cares who began dismantling the NHS? The Tories have been destroying it ever since. Little by little they have started charging for services which should have remained free especially for the elderly. They won't be happy until people are dying for lack of enough money to get the service they need. I care, because we have Westminster party supporters desperately making out in the same old fashion you will be voting for something different, when in actual fact you will be voting for exactly the same thing over and over again. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 19, 2022 8:40:00 GMT
Who cares who began dismantling the NHS? The Tories have been destroying it ever since. Little by little they have started charging for services which should have remained free especially for the elderly. They won't be happy until people are dying for lack of enough money to get the service they need. Charging for services was started by the Labour Party |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 19, 2022 8:41:32 GMT
Who cares who began dismantling the NHS? The Tories have been destroying it ever since. Little by little they have started charging for services which should have remained free especially for the elderly. They won't be happy until people are dying for lack of enough money to get the service they need. In the case of dentists many of them won't even take NHS patients. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 19, 2022 8:47:34 GMT
I fear you are correct. take NHS Health Education England (HEE), a management quango for workforce training (so not actually treating patients) - their CEO gets a measely £190k to oversee a budget of £4.8 billion. That’s right BILLION. Not million, BILLION. Wonder how many new nurses and beds you could buy with £4.8 billion? Disregarding the fact that the NHS shouldn't be in dire need of more nurses and and beds. And disregarding the damage done to the NHS by Brexit. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 19, 2022 8:54:33 GMT
I fear you are correct. take NHS Health Education England (HEE), a management quango for workforce training (so not actually treating patients) - their CEO gets a measely £190k to oversee a budget of £4.8 billion. That’s right BILLION. Not million, BILLION. Wonder how many new nurses and beds you could buy with £4.8 billion? Disregarding the fact that the NHS shouldn't be in dire need of more nurses and and beds. And disregarding the damage done to the NHS by Brexit. Ah the old it is Brexits fault, how about it is the fault of the E U in the first place for trying to centralise power in Brussels and centralise the corruption for their own means. |
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Post by jaydee on Dec 19, 2022 8:57:51 GMT
Who cares who began dismantling the NHS? The Tories have been destroying it ever since. Little by little they have started charging for services which should have remained free especially for the elderly. They won't be happy until people are dying for lack of enough money to get the service they need. 100% correct. And you do not need to be the brain of Britain to work that out. Since they came to power 160,000 nurses have quit the NHS before retirement. Real terms cuts in their pay is around the £6000 mark since the same date. And in the last year alone 27,000 have quit. 48,436 nurses and midwives joined its register, 27,133 stopped working last year – 25,219 nurses, 1,474 midwives and 304 who performed both roles. That was higher than the 23,934 who did so during 2020 after Covid struck, and 25,488 who left in 2019. Unlike the drivel spewed. Compared to other countries, the UK does not spend a particularly high proportion of its national wealth on health care, while a decade of historically low funding increases has left services facing huge pressures and a workforce crisis. Like levels of taxation and public spending more generally, how much is spent on health is a political choice. and politicians should be honest with the public. How does that operate with a bag of liars, called a government, spewing hate. The NHS is one of the largest organisations in the world. Yet, evidence indicates that it employs relatively few managers, with one study recently suggesting that managers make up around 2 per cent of the NHS workforce compared to 9.5 per cent of ‘managers, directors and senior officials' in the UK workforce as a whole.. So much for the havering slastering drivel spewed about managers. But clowns swallow any fanny coming out of Number 10. In short it is clear if the wankers get back in power. They will privatise the NHS. They are clearly orchestrating strikes and feeding the fanny that now the nurses, along with others on or going on strike and the Unions are the enemy of the state. And you can see on here just how that fanny is completely and utterly swallowed hook line and sinker. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 19, 2022 9:02:57 GMT
An alternative view of the New Labour years... When NL came to office in 1997 the NHS, deliberately run down by Thatcher, Still had a huge waiting list for hospital appointments and a huge backlog of non-urgent but painful need for operations. New Labour were right to involve the private sector both here and abroad to bring the NHS back to some reasonably working condition. Following that IIRC New Labour's approach was to allow the private sector to do some NHS work if they could do cheaper. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 19, 2022 9:03:20 GMT
The NHS at the last count was the worlds 5th largest employer so either health in the UK is actually abysmal or something doesn't add up.
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Post by see2 on Dec 19, 2022 9:11:08 GMT
Disregarding the fact that the NHS shouldn't be in dire need of more nurses and and beds. And disregarding the damage done to the NHS by Brexit. Ah the old it is Brexits fault, how about it is the fault of the E U in the first place for trying to centralise power in Brussels and centralise the corruption for their own means. Why don't you stop lying and start thinking before you post? In an attempt to get through to you, I did not say it was Brexit's fault, I indicated that Brexit did some damage, and unlike your nonsense attack on the EU, that is true. So just settle down and try to get some control over your posted thoughts. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 19, 2022 9:13:34 GMT
Ah the old it is Brexits fault, how about it is the fault of the E U in the first place for trying to centralise power in Brussels and centralise the corruption for their own means. Why don't you stop lying and start thinking before you post? In an attempt to get through to you, I did not say it was Brexit's fault, I indicated that Brexit did some damage, and unlike your nonsense attack on the EU, that is true. So just settle down and try to get some control over your posted thoughts. Which part of you are not up to telling me how I should think and how I should vote are you not getting? |
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Post by jaydee on Dec 19, 2022 9:18:51 GMT
The NHS at the last count was the worlds 5th largest employer so either health in the UK is actually abysmal or something doesn't add up. From the Kings fund. Analysis of health care spending in 21 countries shows that the UK has fewer doctors and nurses per head of population than almost all the other countries we looked at. Only Poland has fewer of both. The UK has fewer magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) and computed tomography (CT) scanners in relation to its population than any of the countries we analysed. Of the countries we looked at, only Denmark and Sweden have fewer hospital beds per head of population than the UK, while the UK also has fewer beds in residential care settings than comparator countries. While lower numbers of hospital beds can be a sign of efficiency, the growing shortage of beds in UK hospitals indicates that bed reductions in the NHS may have gone too far. Although costs are rising, the UK spends less on medicines than most of the countries we analysed. The UK has 2.8 doctors per 1,000 population, which is below the average of 3.6 for our basket of countries. The UK also has fewer nurses per 1,000 population 7.9 than average, positioning the UK next to the Czech Republic and Austria and far behind Germany 13.3 nurses per 1,000 population or Switzerland, 18 nurses per 1,000 population. Since 2010. The answer to your question is both. The NHS paid more than £3bn to agencies to provide nurses and doctors at short notice during 2021-22. This was a 20% increase on the year before |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 19, 2022 9:19:37 GMT
So lets move on, the NHS is the 5th largest employer in the whole wide world, for what reason?
JD has given his opinion, although I am not so sure it gets to the bottom of it.
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