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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 18, 2022 18:31:59 GMT
Then they need to get managing don't they. Else what's the point of them?
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Post by Steve on Dec 18, 2022 18:34:12 GMT
Then they need to get managing don't they. Else what's the point of them? And your evidence that by and large they are not is just what? Daily Express rants? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 18, 2022 18:58:57 GMT
And your evidence that by and large they are not is just what? Daily Express rants? My evidence, dear chap comes from you: Quite Seems John Redwood and Middle are unable to work out that it has to be a bed supported by a building, equipment, heating, lighting and above all qualified staff to support it. Bit like having a driving seat and steering wheel and pretending it's a car Well for a start they are woefully short of staff compared to the ever increasing workload from an ageing population. Then you have the issue that they can't discharge so many patients because we have underfunded the Care sector again for that ageing population But just wheeling in more beds will do nothing other than clutter up corridors So if they're not managing staff (your assertion) and they're not managing resources because they're short staffed (again, your assertion) then what are they managing exactly? Sounds like SFA. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 18, 2022 19:06:19 GMT
I fear you are correct. take NHS Health Education England (HEE), a management quango for workforce training (so not actually treating patients) - their CEO gets a measely £190k to oversee a budget of £4.8 billion. That’s right BILLION. Not million, BILLION. Wonder how many new nurses and beds you could buy with £4.8 billion? |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 18, 2022 19:13:24 GMT
I fear you are correct. take NHS Health Education England (HEE), a management quango for workforce training (so not actually treating patients) - their CEO gets a measely £190k to oversee a budget of £4.8 billion. That’s right BILLION. Not million, BILLION. Wonder how many new nurses and beds you could buy with £4.8 billion?And even hospital or more. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 18, 2022 19:18:21 GMT
I fear you are correct. take NHS Health Education England (HEE), a management quango for workforce training (so not actually treating patients) - their CEO gets a measely £190k to oversee a budget of £4.8 billion. That’s right BILLION. Not million, BILLION. Wonder how many new nurses and beds you could buy with £4.8 billion?
Indeed, and how many of the staff that they're missing could they train with that budget? How many nurses, how many doctors?
Clearly a lot. So why aren't they?
It can only be mismanagement.
(And for reference, that training budget is 50% more than the Met Police total budget with which they train, pay & resource the whole of the country's largest police force).
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Post by sheepy on Dec 18, 2022 19:43:43 GMT
Then they need to get managing don't they. Else what's the point of them? Ah well we have reached the same old point, is the public receiving value for money, me thinks the majority of them think not. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 18, 2022 20:26:14 GMT
And your evidence that by and large they are not is just what? Daily Express rants? My evidence, dear chap comes from you: Quite Seems John Redwood and Middle are unable to work out that it has to be a bed supported by a building, equipment, heating, lighting and above all qualified staff to support it. Bit like having a driving seat and steering wheel and pretending it's a car Well for a start they are woefully short of staff compared to the ever increasing workload from an ageing population. Then you have the issue that they can't discharge so many patients because we have underfunded the Care sector again for that ageing population But just wheeling in more beds will do nothing other than clutter up corridors So if they're not managing staff (your assertion) and they're not managing resources because they're short staffed (again, your assertion) then what are they managing exactly? Sounds like SFA. Sounds like you forgot the wages that are failing to recruit are set in overall terms by your beloved Tory bunglers, seems you forget that the pension contributions fuck up which means doctors are incentivised not to work was a creation of your beloved Tory bunglers, seems you forget every time the management are getting on top of the systems your beloved Tory bunglers decide to fundamentally reorganise the NHS. The whole trust and internal market system your beloved Tory bunglers forced on the NHS forces pyrrhic triumphs of efficiency at specific procedure level at the cost of gross ineffective whole treatment. You and your beloved Tory bunglers haven't given the NHS management any chance at all. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 18, 2022 21:29:27 GMT
Over the last ten years, the NHS has lost 25,000 beds across the UK resulting in ‘unsafe’ bed occupancy levels, according to the Royal College of Emergency Medicine.The College said that 13,000 staffed beds are required across the NHS to ensure significant improvement in A&E waiting times, response times and a return to safe occupancy levels.Staff are facing ‘accumulating pressures’ as a result, it said, which in turn has led to a sharp increase in long-waiting times, delayed ambulance response times and cancelled elective care operations.
Thats why there not filling hospital beds they lost 25, 000 beds since this government been in power.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 18, 2022 22:10:02 GMT
I fear you are correct. take NHS Health Education England (HEE), a management quango for workforce training (so not actually treating patients) - their CEO gets a measely £190k to oversee a budget of £4.8 billion. That’s right BILLION. Not million, BILLION. Wonder how many new nurses and beds you could buy with £4.8 billion? Indeed, and how many of the staff that they're missing could they train with that budget? How many nurses, how many doctors? Clearly a lot. So why aren't they? It can only be mismanagement.
It's either mismanagement or just the NHS model of healthcare is not very good.  |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 19, 2022 0:58:42 GMT
Thats why there not filling hospital beds they lost 25, 000 beds since this government been in power. And how many were lost under labours last stint of infesting the HOC? Maybe you should do a bit of research and see how many A&E units along with Maternity units were closed under liebour? Many of those were inherited by the Tories who could not reverse any closures in the pipeline as they had gone too far to try and reverse. You can always trust labour to fuck up everything they touch or meddle with. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 19, 2022 1:43:36 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Dec 19, 2022 4:49:34 GMT
With PPI that cost billions and our grandkids grandkids will be be still paying back and then they still wont even belong to the public. Oh and BTW it was no where near 100 hospitals but what those cost us using PPI would have purchased a 100 full kitted out hospitals. But don't let the truth cloud your labour issue rose coloured glasses. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 19, 2022 5:48:55 GMT
· The number of beds in general and acute hospitals has fallen from 110,568 in April-June 2010 to 100,406 in the same period this year.
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Post by Toreador on Dec 19, 2022 7:39:08 GMT
Thats why there not filling hospital beds they lost 25, 000 beds since this government been in power. And how many were lost under labours last stint of infesting the HOC? Maybe you should do a bit of research and see how many A&E units along with Maternity units were closed under liebour? Many of those were inherited by the Tories who could not reverse any closures in the pipeline as they had gone too far to try and reverse. You can always trust labour to fuck up everything they touch or meddle with. Welcome back, Jonksy. |
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