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Post by zanygame on Dec 17, 2022 14:17:23 GMT
If only people had continued to die aged 70. If only they had rejected all those new expensive drugs and treatments that keep them alive. But its not too late. Let them know you don't want any cancer you get treated with gene technology or the new chemo drugs. Just say NO to this waste of your National insurance payments, Tell them they are for your pension, not your life. Something like that will happen. All it will take is a few more years putting pensioners into the ‘ benefit parasite ‘ drawer and it might become NHS policy to either restrict or coerce pensioners into restricting treatment l What percentage of benefits in your calculations goes to parasites? In the mean time the over 80's cost the NHS 3 times more than the rest of the populace. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 17, 2022 14:27:18 GMT
Next you'll be saying people want the truth. Its a long winded process, first they don't then they wished they did. I wonder how many people would have voted for a government in 1970 that said in order to fund the growing numbers of pensioners and their health care you will need to pay an extra 5% tax? But again its not too late. We could stop pretending that stopping benefits cheats or government waste can plug the huge gap between cost and tax and agree to pay more now. We could cut the massive government debt. We could admit that changes in production and what we produce has lead to an ever larger wealth gap and accept who pays the tax has to change. BUT WE WONT. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 17, 2022 14:30:20 GMT
Its a long winded process, first they don't then they wished they did. I wonder how many people would have voted for a government in 1970 that said in order to fund the growing numbers of pensioners and their health care you will need to pay an extra 5% tax? But again its not too late. We could stop pretending that stopping benefits cheats or government waste can plug the huge gap between cost and tax and agree to pay more now. We could cut the massive government debt. We could admit that changes in production and what we produce has lead to an ever larger wealth gap and accept who pays the tax has to change. BUT WE WONT. Well firstly, why don't you tell us how much is lost to fraud in this country per day, not counting the government waste and its own fraud? |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 17, 2022 14:32:35 GMT
Something like that will happen. All it will take is a few more years putting pensioners into the ‘ benefit parasite ‘ drawer and it might become NHS policy to either restrict or coerce pensioners into restricting treatment l What percentage of benefits in your calculations goes to parasites? In the mean time the over 80's cost the NHS 3 times more than the rest of the populace. Nothing I posted suggested any benefits do. It suggests that some are put into that category. As for old people costing the NHS. I assume you would put anyone who was unable to work and costing the NHS a large amount of resources should be included in that group. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 17, 2022 14:45:00 GMT
It's easy to find then we can add governmental fraud and waste as an approximate and then you can build the bigger picture for others. Then if you feel taxes need to go up and pensioners are the root of the problem we have something to work on.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 17, 2022 14:46:55 GMT
I wonder how many people would have voted for a government in 1970 that said in order to fund the growing numbers of pensioners and their health care you will need to pay an extra 5% tax? But again its not too late. We could stop pretending that stopping benefits cheats or government waste can plug the huge gap between cost and tax and agree to pay more now. We could cut the massive government debt. We could admit that changes in production and what we produce has lead to an ever larger wealth gap and accept who pays the tax has to change. BUT WE WONT. Well firstly, why don't you tell us how much is lost to fraud in this country per day, not counting the government waste and its own fraud? I have no idea. What sort of fraud do you mean? (Excepting fraud during covid) Its estimated benefits fraud at £2.2Bn Approx 5% of universal credit payments. Or 0.16% of total government spending. £6,027,397 out of £3,238,356,164 per day. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 17, 2022 14:49:50 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Dec 17, 2022 14:56:01 GMT
That's why I asked which fraud you were referring to. This is not fraud against the government, so not sure what it has to do with taxation and government spending? |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 17, 2022 14:57:55 GMT
That's why I asked which fraud you were referring to. This is not fraud against the government, so not sure what it has to do with taxation and government spending? If it doesn't effect the whole economy what does? picking on pensioners? Or maybe we should just tax people more to make up the shortfall? |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 17, 2022 15:06:36 GMT
That's why I asked which fraud you were referring to. This is not fraud against the government, so not sure what it has to do with taxation and government spending? If it doesn't effect the whole economy what does? picking on pensioners? Or maybe we should just tax people more to make up the shortfall? Of course it effects the whole economy, but I still fail to se what it has to do with taxation and pensions. Please elucidate. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 17, 2022 15:10:55 GMT
Of course it effects the whole economy, but I still fail to se what it has to do with taxation and pensions. Please elucidate. Because as usual you come with half a story, when the bigger picture is ignored. If the economy is suffering mass fraud then you are covering the fraud not fixing it. Which case in point puts that money back into the economy and in fact boosts it. That is what it has to do with taxation and government fraud. Which I was saying yesterday, I am not in favour of taking bread out of pensioners or the needy's mouths by governments of any flavour. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 17, 2022 15:14:59 GMT
What percentage of benefits in your calculations goes to parasites? In the mean time the over 80's cost the NHS 3 times more than the rest of the populace. Nothing I posted suggested any benefits do. It suggests that some are put into that category. As for old people costing the NHS. I assume you would put anyone who was unable to work and costing the NHS a large amount of resources should be included in that group. Sorry. I completely misread your post and as such my reply is nonsense. Starting again. I see no prospect of pensioner ever being called parasites. All I want is for them to stop thinking they are some sort of exception to the rules regarding income and expenditure. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 17, 2022 15:20:41 GMT
Of course it effects the whole economy, but I still fail to se what it has to do with taxation and pensions. Please elucidate. Because as usual you come with half a story, when the bigger picture is ignored. If the economy is suffering mass fraud then you are covering the fraud not fixing it. Which case in point puts that money back into the economy and in fact boosts it. That is what it has to do with taxation and government fraud. Which I was saying yesterday, I am not in favour of taking bread out of pensioners or the needy's mouths by governments of any flavour. To include the whole story would require volumes. But to cover off your point. If fraud is as you link £193m Pa. That represent 0.006% of GDP. So not a significant number in the game. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 17, 2022 15:23:04 GMT
Because as usual you come with half a story, when the bigger picture is ignored. If the economy is suffering mass fraud then you are covering the fraud not fixing it. Which case in point puts that money back into the economy and in fact boosts it. That is what it has to do with taxation and government fraud. Which I was saying yesterday, I am not in favour of taking bread out of pensioners or the needy's mouths by governments of any flavour. To include the whole story would require volumes. But to cover off your point. If fraud is as you link £193m Pa. That represent 0.006% of GDP. So not a significant number in the game. Before somebody else tells you your mistake it is 193 billion alone now equate that with government debt repayments. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 17, 2022 15:27:47 GMT
Nothing I posted suggested any benefits do. It suggests that some are put into that category. As for old people costing the NHS. I assume you would put anyone who was unable to work and costing the NHS a large amount of resources should be included in that group. Sorry. I completely misread your post and as such my reply is nonsense. Starting again. I see no prospect of pensioner ever being called parasites. All I want is for them to stop thinking they are some sort of exception to the rules regarding income and expenditure. I think they will to a certain degree . Boomers had it easy, old people are a drain on the economy , old people with nice houses and a pension when young families are poor ..are all pretty much mantras for some now. Eventually it will be encouraged . Pensioners aren’t exception to the rules . The state pension is a pittance . |
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