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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 13:59:22 GMT
This is a result of your lockdowns and the over reaction to a not very deadly virus, Morgan. The left wanted harder, longer lockdowns. Team Boris/Starmer can both own this. Starmer wasn't in power so how does he own this? He may have managed things better than Boris leading to fewer lockdowns, had you thought of that? No, but he was in opposition, but did not oppose any of the measures, in fact he always said the government were not doing enough and wanted sterner measures. Had you forgotten?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 14:00:56 GMT
This is a result of your lockdowns and the over reaction to a not very deadly virus, Morgan. The left wanted harder, longer lockdowns. Team Boris/Starmer can both own this. They were not "My lockdowns." If you're going to join the Feeble Minded Brigade and make silly assumptions such as believing that anyone who disagrees with you is a "Lefty" please practice adding "Ner,Ner,Ner " to your every post. That way we'll all know you have the mind of a 12 year old schoolboy without having to reply to you. Ah, right, not really come across you before, but now I know what you're like, I'll be more careful with my words. Ner ner ner.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 14:01:38 GMT
The usual replies spamming countless Daily Express links about transgender ferrets being given new tits on the NHS and all kinds of other random stuff - everything is down to COVID (probably still will be 5 years later) but nothing to do with the topic.
Typica.
This is down to woke left NHS management. Proof please?
I've never heard of influencers killing people every year.
(I wish they would. Then I'd watch them)
And the GP's have done their level best to perpetuate the so called fear factor over the virus. And the way the NHS throw their money around on these mad cap diversity ideas and wokery have everything to do with the topic which is down to their own creation and over reaction. Why were the normal hospitals not open during covid and the knightingale hospitals used for what they were built for? There was no shortage of people to work in them as volunteer medical proffesionals came out to help in their thousands. [/quote][/div]
So prove that it's actually down to "woke NHS managers" and "diversity training" diverting all the funds and time in the NHS rather than just saying it, because you haven't proven it.
"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." - Christopher Hitchens.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 14:03:03 GMT
Starmer wasn't in power so how does he own this? He may have managed things better than Boris leading to fewer lockdowns, had you thought of that? No, but he was in opposition, but did not oppose any of the measures, in fact he always said the government were not doing enough and wanted sterner measures. Had you forgotten? Yep and that doesn't refute the point that there could have been fewer (but perhaps stronger) lockdowns, had the measures implemented actually worked, which they didn't - thanks to our incompetent government.
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Post by Morgan on Oct 13, 2022 14:11:31 GMT
Jonksey said "This is down to woke left NHS management. It was is just a poxy virus for gods sake. People die of the common cold flu and infleunca related illneses every year around this time we were not practising social distancing and wearing face masks then. And the GP's have done their level best to perpetuate the so called fear factor over the virus. And the way the NHS throw their money around on these mad cap diversity ideas and wokery have everything to do with the topic which is down to their own creation and over reaction. Why were the normal hospitals not open during covid and the knightingale hospitals used for what they were built for? There was no shortage of people to work in them as volunteer medical proffesionals came out to help in their thousands."
We all die people die of diseases but that is no reason not to try to save them.The people responsible for the excess deaths are the government. Hancock, Johnson and others should be in prison for allowing donors to get contracts for PPE without tendering. It was all sheer mismanagement.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 14:22:43 GMT
I'd love to know how 7 million managed to get on a waiting list. When I try to make an appointment with a doctor it says no appointments available but you might like to try a telephone triage. The NHS are now fending off all the patients they can and A&Es are seeing extra patients because of that. The fact is the excess deaths are running at 6,600 a month above the 5 year average, (213 per day in England and Wales). Is this down to a collapsing NHS or due to effects of lockdown, or aftermath of Covid infections, or jab side effects, or a combination of all three? www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/monthlyfiguresondeathsregisteredbyareaofusualresidence
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Post by jonksy on Oct 13, 2022 14:30:04 GMT
Jonksey said "This is down to woke left NHS management. It was is just a poxy virus for gods sake. People die of the common cold flu and infleunca related illneses every year around this time we were not practising social distancing and wearing face masks then. And the GP's have done their level best to perpetuate the so called fear factor over the virus. And the way the NHS throw their money around on these mad cap diversity ideas and wokery have everything to do with the topic which is down to their own creation and over reaction. Why were the normal hospitals not open during covid and the knightingale hospitals used for what they were built for? There was no shortage of people to work in them as volunteer medical proffesionals came out to help in their thousands." We all die people die of diseases but that is no reason not to try to save them.The people responsible for the excess deaths are the government. Hancock, Johnson and others should be in prison for allowing donors to get contracts for PPE without tendering. It was all sheer mismanagement. Total crap. The UK had a world beating vaccine program. And it may have slipped your very limited attention but the whole bloody globe had a PPE shortage. I bet you would have been one of the first to moan if the UK government had not procured PPE from what ever source they could. The usual city and local hospitals and A&E's could have remained open and the knightingale hospitals used for what they were built and intended for.
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Post by Morgan on Oct 13, 2022 14:55:36 GMT
Morgan said. We all die people die of diseases but that is no reason not to try to save them.The people responsible for the excess deaths are the government. Hancock, Johnson and others should be in prison for allowing donors to get contracts for PPE without tendering. It was all sheer mismanagement. Total crap. The UK had a world beating vaccine program. And it may have slipped your very limited attention but the whole bloody globe had a PPE shortage. I bet you would have been one of the first to moan if the UK government had not procured PPE from what ever source they could. The usual city and local hospitals and A&E's could have remained open and the knightingale hospitals used for what they were built and intended for. The whole bloody globe didn't have government ministers dishing out untendered contracts for out of date and substandard PPE to their mates. We did.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 15:00:10 GMT
Jonksey said "This is down to woke left NHS management. It was is just a poxy virus for gods sake. People die of the common cold flu and infleunca related illneses every year around this time we were not practising social distancing and wearing face masks then. And the GP's have done their level best to perpetuate the so called fear factor over the virus. And the way the NHS throw their money around on these mad cap diversity ideas and wokery have everything to do with the topic which is down to their own creation and over reaction. Why were the normal hospitals not open during covid and the knightingale hospitals used for what they were built for? There was no shortage of people to work in them as volunteer medical proffesionals came out to help in their thousands." We all die people die of diseases but that is no reason not to try to save them.The people responsible for the excess deaths are the government. Hancock, Johnson and others should be in prison for allowing donors to get contracts for PPE without tendering. It was all sheer mismanagement. Total crap. The UK had a world beating vaccine program. And it may have slipped your very limited attention but the whole bloody globe had a PPE shortage. I bet you would have been one of the first to moan if the UK government had not procured PPE from what ever source they could. The usual city and local hospitals and A&E's could have remained open and the knightingale hospitals used for what they were built and intended for. Ah, personal remarks are the first sign of a winning argument.
Why not try the truth?
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Post by Toreador on Oct 13, 2022 15:11:39 GMT
Total crap. The UK had a world beating vaccine program. And it may have slipped your very limited attention but the whole bloody globe had a PPE shortage. I bet you would have been one of the first to moan if the UK government had not procured PPE from what ever source they could. The usual city and local hospitals and A&E's could have remained open and the knightingale hospitals used for what they were built and intended for. Ah, personal remarks are the first sign of a winning argument.
Why not try the truth?
A major component of the problem was that the existing ppe was out of date and should have been renewed. I'd sat the blame rests jointly with the NHS and the health ministry.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 13, 2022 15:29:30 GMT
When the COVID crisis started it was clear that there was a woeful shortage of PPE. COVID tests took several days for results and the NHS management was deliberately telling us bullshit to keep things moving . We were told that only positive tested patients needed full PPE not patients showing COVID symptoms. Domestics were sent into rooms without masks by nurses who were hoarding them and the masks we did have were obviously out of date . You can say that the government should of stockpiled PPE and I would agree but anyone who worked in care or NHS were grateful for any PPE at the time. No one gave a shit if people were making money from it .
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Post by jonksy on Oct 13, 2022 17:49:17 GMT
Ah, personal remarks are the first sign of a winning argument.
Why not try the truth?
A major component of the problem was that the existing ppe was out of date and should have been renewed. I'd sat the blame rests jointly with the NHS and the health ministry. Of course it was as much of it is now. We didn't know there was going to be a pandemic and neither did the rest of the world. All PPE has a shelf life.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 13, 2022 17:50:50 GMT
When the COVID crisis started it was clear that there was a woeful shortage of PPE. COVID tests took several days for results and the NHS management was deliberately telling us bullshit to keep things moving . We were told that only positive tested patients needed full PPE not patients showing COVID symptoms. Domestics were sent into rooms without masks by nurses who were hoarding them and the masks we did have were obviously out of date . You can say that the government should of stockpiled PPE and I would agree but anyone who worked in care or NHS were grateful for any PPE at the time. No one gave a shit if people were making money from it . Exactly.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 13, 2022 17:54:28 GMT
Ah, personal remarks are the first sign of a winning argument.
Why not try the truth?
A major component of the problem was that the existing ppe was out of date and should have been renewed. I'd sat the blame rests jointly with the NHS and the health ministry.
All PPE has a shelf life. The NHS throws tons of it away each week. As do all other health systems across the globe.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 13, 2022 18:00:38 GMT
The whole bloody globe didn't have government ministers dishing out untendered contracts for out of date and substandard PPE to their mates. We did. Didn't they? We had to procure PPE at what ever cost or suppliers. Just another of your little rants about the UK government of the day. Of course the worst areas for organisation and high mortality rate were left controlled like Wales and Scotland. And the only thing starmer acheived was to catch covid a record amount of times in the UK. It must have been all those illegal piss-ups he was attending.
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