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Post by dappy on Dec 15, 2022 23:37:01 GMT
Pacifico is quite right. The UK Government could stop the boats overnight if it wished to. It chooses not to.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 16, 2022 6:28:13 GMT
I suspect dappy's solution involves opening asylum reception centres on the continent and providing free passage to England for anyone who succeeds in registering a claim. At present that is somewhere around 95% of the 50,000 or so who made it under their own steam in 2022.
Under dappy's scheme it would be 95% of a different number. Does anyone believe it would be a smaller one?
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Post by Toreador on Dec 16, 2022 8:54:33 GMT
Pacifico is quite right. The UK Government could stop the boats overnight if it wished to. It chooses not to. What the British government can't stop is the boats and lorries that enter EU territory and when a an EU country manages to stop it they're threatened by the EU. Hungary is a perfect example and they'll be joined by more. |
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Post by Handyman on Dec 16, 2022 9:16:17 GMT
It's pointless blaming the French. From their perspective once a migrant boat casts off it ceases to be their responsibility or even their concern. If it weren't for the enticements (real or imaginary) that England presents to would-be migrants none of this would be happening (in their view). Apart from which this latest incident took place in English waters, not French. I disagree slightly, if the laden dinghy is in French waters the French are responsible for the safety of the passengers on board, if they reach our waters then we are responsible Whilst the French and we are looking out to sea, the alleged Asylum Seekers and Economic Migrants are still getting here in the backs of lorries, cars and vans, false papers to board a Ferry, Eurostar, legally visiting family and friends in the UK and never leaving, when we do find them they ask our Courts to let them stay Its an never ending story, been running longer than the show Mouse Trap |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 16, 2022 9:23:18 GMT
It's pointless blaming the French. From their perspective once a migrant boat casts off it ceases to be their responsibility or even their concern. If it weren't for the enticements (real or imaginary) that England presents to would-be migrants none of this would be happening (in their view). Apart from which this latest incident took place in English waters, not French. I disagree slightly, if the laden dinghy is in French waters the French are responsible for the safety of the passengers on board, if they reach our waters then we are responsible Whilst the French and we are looking out to sea, the alleged Asylum Seekers and Economic Migrants are still getting here in the backs of lorries, cars and vans, false papers to board a Ferry, Eurostar, legally visiting family and friends in the UK and never leaving, when we do find them they ask our Courts to let them stay Its an never ending story, been running longer than the show Mouse Trap The Mousetrap has been revived in Oz. |
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Post by Handyman on Dec 16, 2022 9:32:45 GMT
I disagree slightly, if the laden dinghy is in French waters the French are responsible for the safety of the passengers on board, if they reach our waters then we are responsible Whilst the French and we are looking out to sea, the alleged Asylum Seekers and Economic Migrants are still getting here in the backs of lorries, cars and vans, false papers to board a Ferry, Eurostar, legally visiting family and friends in the UK and never leaving, when we do find them they ask our Courts to let them stay Its an never ending story, been running longer than the show Mouse Trap The Mousetrap has been revived in Oz. I could not be arsed to see it here, I ain't going all the way to Australia to see it either  besides they may not let me in  |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 16, 2022 9:36:48 GMT
The Mousetrap has been revived in Oz. I could not be arsed to see it here, I ain't going all the way to Australia to see it either besides they may not let me in I'd rung the Oz embassy before I posted.  |
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Post by Handyman on Dec 16, 2022 9:43:27 GMT
I could not be arsed to see it here, I ain't going all the way to Australia to see it either besides they may not let me in I'd rung the Oz embassy before I posted. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 16, 2022 10:27:32 GMT
It's pointless blaming the French. From their perspective once a migrant boat casts off it ceases to be their responsibility or even their concern. If it weren't for the enticements (real or imaginary) that England presents to would-be migrants none of this would be happening (in their view). Apart from which this latest incident took place in English waters, not French. I disagree slightly, if the laden dinghy is in French waters the French are responsible for the safety of the passengers on board, if they reach our waters then we are responsible ... What law makes either country responsible for the safety of a vessel's passengers? That's the responsibility of the vessel's master, surely. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 16, 2022 12:25:53 GMT
The Mousetrap has been revived in Oz. I could not be arsed to see it here, I ain't going all the way to Australia to see it either besides they may not let me in It's still on in London. Covid pause excepted it's run for 70 years now and a very good night out as it's a good play. Christie at her best uk.the-mousetrap.co.uk/ |
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Post by Handyman on Dec 16, 2022 13:43:10 GMT
I disagree slightly, if the laden dinghy is in French waters the French are responsible for the safety of the passengers on board, if they reach our waters then we are responsible ... What law makes either country responsible for the safety of a vessel's passengers? That's the responsibility of the vessel's master, surely. Maritime Law as far as I am aware no matter where a vessel in trouble is in even in International Waters no questions asked, there are no real qualified skippers on those rubbers boats , the nearest vessel to them goes to their assistance, as the UK Fishing Boat English Skipper did on hearing people were in the water he went straight to them and pulled them out of the water |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 16, 2022 13:55:27 GMT
Yes, I'm aware of the duty under International Maritime Law to at least attempt to rescue persons in distress on the High Seas, but that still doesn't make anyone other than the 'skipper' responsible for the safety of the people on his vessel. The onus for that did not pass to the skipper of the trawler when he decided to go to their rescue.
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Post by Handyman on Dec 16, 2022 14:15:57 GMT
Health and Safety is a responsibility we all have even on dry land and certainly in the workplace shops pubs where ever people are, getting back on track.
As soon as that Skipper got those people out of the water onto his boat, yes he is responsible for their wellbeing to get them to safety which is the nearest Port if at all possible , as he is for his crew even when fishing and each individual crew member on board is also responsible for their own safety and his or her shipmates including the Skipper.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 16, 2022 17:36:21 GMT
Stupid people win stupid prizes. For crying out loud! |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 16, 2022 17:39:21 GMT
Stupid people win stupid prizes. For crying out loud! For what reason, have you paid a people smuggler under a false narrative and ended up in a cold sea from a boat not upto the job? |
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besides they may not let me in 
