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Post by Vinny on Dec 14, 2022 19:41:39 GMT
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Post by Steve on Dec 14, 2022 19:55:53 GMT
Awful and the French need to look at themselves, they have been letting these boats get on that dangerous water for too long and in seemingly ever increasing levels
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Post by Vinny on Dec 14, 2022 20:11:16 GMT
Illegal immigrants have been going through France to get to the UK and Ireland, since the 1990's.
And that's just what I'm aware of, it may well have been taking place for even longer.
The smugglers make more money the further they smuggle people.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 14, 2022 21:55:09 GMT
It's pointless blaming the French. From their perspective once a migrant boat casts off it ceases to be their responsibility or even their concern. If it weren't for the enticements (real or imaginary) that England presents to would-be migrants none of this would be happening (in their view).
Apart from which this latest incident took place in English waters, not French.
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Post by Steve on Dec 14, 2022 23:08:34 GMT
It's pointless blaming the French. From their perspective once a migrant boat casts off it ceases to be their responsibility or even their concern. If it weren't for the enticements (real or imaginary) that England presents to would-be migrants none of this would be happening (in their view). Apart from which this latest incident took place in English waters, not French. They're right on that once the boat is in the water point. Their gross deficiencies are in everything before that point. They should be blocking the transport of the refugees to those shores, they should be offering those refugees asylum and not saying (can't do that because they came through Germany) and they should be stopping the boats getting to their shores. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 15, 2022 8:34:34 GMT
Stupid people win stupid prizes.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 15, 2022 14:39:11 GMT
Awful and the French need to look at themselves, they have been letting these boats get on that dangerous water for too long and in seemingly ever increasing levels The French have been better than you'd imagine. The coastline is very long and a boat can be launched from anywhere. The criminals are armed as well. Would you like to be a French cop at 3am in the morning in -7c getting cut up by brambles and seeing you are like outnumbered 40:1? The least our politicians could do is be grateful to the ones who bust their balls trying t protect us. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 15, 2022 18:14:11 GMT
Yes, the criminals are armed, but the Police are still the Police and they are armed too, more crucially they have armour.
And they have training.
There is nowhere for criminals to legally train with firearms.
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Post by Steve on Dec 15, 2022 21:39:44 GMT
Awful and the French need to look at themselves, they have been letting these boats get on that dangerous water for too long and in seemingly ever increasing levels The French have been better than you'd imagine. The coastline is very long and a boat can be launched from anywhere. The criminals are armed as well. Would you like to be a French cop at 3am in the morning in -7c getting cut up by brambles and seeing you are like outnumbered 40:1? The least our politicians could do is be grateful to the ones who bust their balls trying t protect us. The French have one of the best intelligence services in the world, they are also being paid handsomely to improve security. I'll defend them not intercepting boats while in the water but one has to be very naive not to suspect that two forces are at play here a) bribes are being paid to police to look the other way b) the highly politically controlled French police are being told that stopping migrants getting to the UK is not a priority. See umpteen statements over the years from various Mayors of Calais |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 15, 2022 21:44:16 GMT
'Another four dead' makes it sound like a daily occurence.
Given that more than 45,000 have safely made it across in 2022, and perhaps over 100,000 since dinghy travel became the preferred option, it seems to me to have a been remarkably safe way to get yourself to England.
Politicians' hand-wringing over smugglers risking the lives of vulnerable people as a reason to halt the traffic rings very hollow. That's probably one of the least important reasons for stopping it but they all seem compelled to bring it up every opportunity.
The traffic must be stopped as a matter of national sovereignty and security. Full stop. Wasn't that what Brexit was supposed to be all about?
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 15, 2022 21:44:47 GMT
removed - duplicate
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 15, 2022 22:27:34 GMT
The French have been better than you'd imagine. The coastline is very long and a boat can be launched from anywhere. The criminals are armed as well. Would you like to be a French cop at 3am in the morning in -7c getting cut up by brambles and seeing you are like outnumbered 40:1? The least our politicians could do is be grateful to the ones who bust their balls trying t protect us. The French have one of the best intelligence services in the world, they are also being paid handsomely to improve security. I'll defend them not intercepting boats while in the water but one has to be very naive not to suspect that two forces are at play here a) bribes are being paid to police to look the other way b) the highly politically controlled French police are being told that stopping migrants getting to the UK is not a priority. See umpteen statements over the years from various Mayors of Calais Maybe listen to an interview or two with one of the guys over there who do it. It sounds to me that they try and do an honest job, as per the idea they get paid to stop the crossings. The reasons why they can't are varied and real problems. If you area pro you will intuitively know if at a certain point you can actually stop a boat with 40 migrants running to the sea with it. I mean its stuff like poor equipment and so on. We Brits have been rather insulting towards those French who do a job most of us would refuse. I think the incompetence is more a case of the whole thing being managed by thick British politicians. Wherever a bunch of politicians gets too involved in some industrial operation it is bound to go wrong. I particularly did not like Johnson having anything to do with it. Such a clown. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 15, 2022 22:31:28 GMT
I might be on my own here, but I do not blame the French at all - it is simply not their problem. It is the responsibility of the British Government to secure the borders in Britain, nobody else.
The government know how to stop illegal arrivals by boat but they (nothing to do with the French) choose not to.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 15, 2022 22:35:03 GMT
Yes, the criminals are armed, but the Police are still the Police and they are armed too, more crucially they have armour. And they have training. There is nowhere for criminals to legally train with firearms. The Albanians in particular are bad news. They are very intelligent and organised in the organised crime business. They do stuff on a huge industrial scale and as a senior executive of Infosys once told me, If you want something doing properly get the Albanians to do it. This sentiment was that you don't get the Brits to do it. They are smarter than us,and far more efficient. They are also lawless. It's the worst combination. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 15, 2022 23:28:49 GMT
I might be on my own here, but I do not blame the French at all - it is simply not their problem. It is the responsibility of the British Government to secure the borders in Britain, nobody else. The government know how to stop illegal arrivals by boat but they (nothing to do with the French) choose not to. And pray tell how would that be then? |
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