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Post by jaydee on Dec 13, 2022 12:34:11 GMT
The bunch of wankers who call themselves a UK government must think the public are clowns. In some cases on this forum. They are correct. They keep ranting the pay awards being asked for are not affordable. That the woke followers digest hook line and sinker. It is estimated the cost of the present increase asked for by the Trade Unions, nurses rail, etc will come in at around £26 billion. Of that on direct tax alone the government will get back around 50%. On what is left a further £30% will be recovered as those who are awarded a pay rise. Will spend that on shopping and the likes. By the time you add on indirect tax such as NIC, pension and the down stream tax recouped on that. The treasury will be quid's in. It is more than clear that the wankers in Westminster are orchestrating a strike. As they realise the game is up. And now resorted to trump like policy trying to blame the trade unions and the like. As the new enemy to hate. They do not give one toss about the safety of UK citizens and have now reached a dangerous stage. How anybody can still believe one word coming from those despicable hate filled fascist cretins defies the hell out of me.
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Post by om15 on Dec 13, 2022 13:14:28 GMT
If we look at the case of the health workers, the nurses and paramedics, their union are demanding a 19% pay rise, the independent pay review body recommended a 4.75% increase, the Government is displaying fiscal responsibility by refusing such inflated claims.
Sensible people realise this, you obviously don't because you are rather unhinged.
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Post by jaydee on Dec 13, 2022 13:27:40 GMT
If we look at the case of the health workers, the nurses and paramedics, their union are demanding a 19% pay rise, the independent pay review body recommended a 4.75% increase, the Government is displaying fiscal responsibility by refusing such inflated claims. Sensible people realise this, you obviously don't because you are rather unhinged. Oh Geez you have the audacity to call others unhinged. So how about you correcting what I said. In terms of your idea of sensible people and mine. Is shall we say different. With your rant on everything you post.is 1q00% wrong. Is it not time for you come away withj drivel about a ferry cock up |
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Post by Steve on Dec 13, 2022 14:23:29 GMT
If we look at the case of the health workers, the nurses and paramedics, their union are demanding a 19% pay rise, the independent pay review body recommended a 4.75% increase, the Government is displaying fiscal responsibility by refusing such inflated claims. Sensible people realise this, you obviously don't because you are rather unhinged. Or maybe sensible people check that supposed 'independence' before repeating it as supposed fact. There was no independence, read the relevant report www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-pay-review-body-thirty-fifth-report-2022 The board was given a budget limit and efficiency goals by the government that they had to adhere to, they could only recommend more to the nurses by cutting other areas. So NOT independent From their own paragraph 10, evidence that they are underpaying and it's very possibly costing them more: 'The latest data, for the third quarter of 2021/22, to December 2021, showed that overall, there were 102,034 AfC vacancies
in the NHS. If vacancies continue to persist at high levels, they have the potential to impact on staff morale, service delivery and patient care. There is also a financial cost of carrying vacancies which subsequently need to be filled through bank and agency staff who are frequently more expensive than substantive staff. ' |
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Post by Handyman on Dec 13, 2022 14:38:36 GMT
If we look at the case of the health workers, the nurses and paramedics, their union are demanding a 19% pay rise, the independent pay review body recommended a 4.75% increase, the Government is displaying fiscal responsibility by refusing such inflated claims. Sensible people realise this, you obviously don't because you are rather unhinged. Even Starmer states the country cannot afford 19% , |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2022 14:41:56 GMT
The bunch of wankers who call themselves a UK government must think the public are clowns. In some cases on this forum. They are correct. They keep ranting the pay awards being asked for are not affordable. That the woke followers digest hook line and sinker. It is estimated the cost of the present increase asked for by the Trade Unions, nurses rail, etc will come in at around £26 billion. Of that on direct tax alone the government will get back around 50%. On what is left a further £30% will be recovered as those who are awarded a pay rise. Will spend that on shopping and the likes. By the time you add on indirect tax such as NIC, pension and the down stream tax recouped on that. The treasury will be quid's in. It is more than clear that the wankers in Westminster are orchestrating a strike. As they realise the game is up. And now resorted to trump like policy trying to blame the trade unions and the like. As the new enemy to hate. They do not give one toss about the safety of UK citizens and have now reached a dangerous stage. How anybody can still believe one word coming from those despicable hate filled fascist cretins defies the hell out of me. The Government has also budgeted for a 3% pay rise so that needs to be knocked off as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2022 14:44:12 GMT
If we look at the case of the health workers, the nurses and paramedics, their union are demanding a 19% pay rise, the independent pay review body recommended a 4.75% increase, the Government is displaying fiscal responsibility by refusing such inflated claims. Sensible people realise this, you obviously don't because you are rather unhinged. But the government are not refusing they are not even talking to the nurses. The nurses now they will not get 19% but the Tories will not go to the table, they want the strikes, they love chaos. |
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Post by jaydee on Dec 13, 2022 14:59:09 GMT
If we look at the case of the health workers, the nurses and paramedics, their union are demanding a 19% pay rise, the independent pay review body recommended a 4.75% increase, the Government is displaying fiscal responsibility by refusing such inflated claims. Sensible people realise this, you obviously don't because you are rather unhinged. Even Starmer states the country cannot afford 19% , Starmer is a Tory apologist.. . Right down to Brexit. And governments do not have money. Let the tax expert do the talking. This claim assumes that if £28 billion in extra wages is paid out this money just disappears, never to be seen again, and this assumption is so stupid it is laughable - except very few politicians seem to understand this. Let me explain. Let’s start with the fact that if £28 billion is paid out then this will top up existing pay. It will all be taxable and subject to national insurance. Assume tax is 20%, employee NI 12% and employer NI is 13.8% and the full NI cost is included in the £28bn.If you work the maths through the tax paid on that £28bn will be about 40.2% of the total in that case, or £11.3bn. That comes straight back to the government in other words. So the actual cost is already down to £16.7bn. That’s a lot less than £1,000 per household. And when that £16.7bn gets into people’s pockets they will spend it. This means more tax is paid. Not everything has VAT on it, but assuming this new money is the top part of people’s incomes and they’ve already covered the basic costs of living much of it will. So, let’s assume there’s an average of 15% VAT on what is bought with this money. Do the maths and that’s another £2.2bn or so of tax paid. That means the cost is down to £13.5bn now: half has already come back. Then those who get paid this money also pay tax on it. Some will be income tax, and some corporation tax. Some more will be national insurance. We don’t know the mix. Let’s be generous and say it’s 30%. That’s another £4bn of tax paid. Cost now, £9.5bn. But those who get this money will also pay tax on it. And so will the person who gets it after that. In fact, everyone will pay tax on it until some person who is wealthy enough to save gets it and puts it in a deposit account and stops the money rolling. In short the wankers want a strike to invent a new enemy. And it is being swallowed already. By those who are really unhinged. And actually think they are sensible. |
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Post by dodgydave on Dec 15, 2022 2:41:40 GMT
Even Starmer states the country cannot afford 19% , Starmer is a Tory apologist.. . Right down to Brexit. And governments do not have money. Let the tax expert do the talking. This claim assumes that if £28 billion in extra wages is paid out this money just disappears, never to be seen again, and this assumption is so stupid it is laughable - except very few politicians seem to understand this. Let me explain. Let’s start with the fact that if £28 billion is paid out then this will top up existing pay. It will all be taxable and subject to national insurance. Assume tax is 20%, employee NI 12% and employer NI is 13.8% and the full NI cost is included in the £28bn.If you work the maths through the tax paid on that £28bn will be about 40.2% of the total in that case, or £11.3bn. That comes straight back to the government in other words. So the actual cost is already down to £16.7bn. That’s a lot less than £1,000 per household. And when that £16.7bn gets into people’s pockets they will spend it. This means more tax is paid. Not everything has VAT on it, but assuming this new money is the top part of people’s incomes and they’ve already covered the basic costs of living much of it will. So, let’s assume there’s an average of 15% VAT on what is bought with this money. Do the maths and that’s another £2.2bn or so of tax paid. That means the cost is down to £13.5bn now: half has already come back. Then those who get paid this money also pay tax on it. Some will be income tax, and some corporation tax. Some more will be national insurance. We don’t know the mix. Let’s be generous and say it’s 30%. That’s another £4bn of tax paid. Cost now, £9.5bn. But those who get this money will also pay tax on it. And so will the person who gets it after that. In fact, everyone will pay tax on it until some person who is wealthy enough to save gets it and puts it in a deposit account and stops the money rolling. In short the wankers want a strike to invent a new enemy. And it is being swallowed already. By those who are really unhinged. And actually think they are sensible. The obvious problem is that if you give nurses 19% then the other 5.7 million public sector workers will think they are entitled to the same. Your figures are also making massive assumptions, and you have completely missed out the pensions element (ie increase employer contributions, increased liabilities as it is final salary). It is alright saying the "government gets half of it back in tax" but it will have to increase borrowing while it waits for that tax to come in... and not all of it does come in because companies go bust owning thousands / millions in VAT. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 15, 2022 10:47:38 GMT
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Post by Orac on Dec 15, 2022 14:08:41 GMT
Perhaps taxpayers should also have the ability to go 'on strike'?
The relationship seems a bit unbalanced presently with one side legally compelled to pay and the other side free to do whatever it feels like.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 15, 2022 17:58:34 GMT
But yet again many public sector workers have had a 10 year pay freeze already and even a 19% rise will only put them back where they were 10 years ago in real terms.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 15, 2022 18:58:26 GMT
Is there really a shortage of money in the NHS? - £115k for a 'Lived Experience Director' suggest not.  |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 15, 2022 21:01:55 GMT
It's known as gobledegook and there's a good chance that the job will go to a graduate who has never had any worthwhile lived experience.
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Post by Orac on Dec 15, 2022 21:55:20 GMT
Is there really a shortage of money in the NHS? - £115k for a 'Lived Experience Director' suggest not. Why should the taxpayer feel morally compelled to pay for this galloping horse-shit? Especially those in the private sector who are themselves on a third of these wages and doing a job that is actually needed? |
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