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Post by Steve on Dec 15, 2022 21:58:45 GMT
But yet again many public sector workers have had a 10 year pay freeze already and even a 19% rise will only put them back where they were 10 years ago in real terms. Awkward truths #18742 ^
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Post by Toreador on Dec 15, 2022 22:01:46 GMT
Is there really a shortage of money in the NHS? - £115k for a 'Lived Experience Director' suggest not. Why should the taxpayer feel morally compelled to pay for this galloping horse-shit? Especially those in the private sector who are themselves on a third of these wages and doing a job that is actually needed? I had thought of sending an email to this lot but since there are already a number of the same view, I think it only right that a mod should deal with a response on our behalf.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 15, 2022 23:00:56 GMT
So comparing nurses pay with other countries in Europe - so higher than France, Italy and Spain, yet lower than Germany, Holland and Denmark (who all have higher taxes).
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 16, 2022 7:46:43 GMT
Is there really a shortage of money in the NHS? - £115k for a 'Lived Experience Director' suggest not.
Nope, there is no shortage of money in any of the public services. There is a lack of any proper prioritisation however. If we got rid of all this nonsense and whole tiers of useless middle management we'd be able to pay the nurses properly.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 16, 2022 7:56:29 GMT
That said, if Labour get in we can expect an explosion of similar public sector non-jobs.
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Post by Morgan on Dec 16, 2022 8:24:21 GMT
That said, if Labour get in we can expect an explosion of similar public sector non-jobs. So you're still going to vote for the Tories and another 12 years of chaos and bankruptcies, fiddling expenses and dishing out dodgy contracts? You're obviously one of the people who can be fooled all the time.
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Post by jaydee on Dec 16, 2022 9:04:51 GMT
That said, if Labour get in we can expect an explosion of similar public sector non-jobs. So you're still going to vote for the Tories and another 12 years of chaos and bankruptcies, fiddling expenses and dishing out dodgy contracts? You're obviously one of the people who can be fooled all the time. That's Nigel the one line wonder. Who insist Fascists and neo Nazis are left wing. Now there was me thinking Right wing Neo Nazis were right wing. I wonder if it has something to do with name
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Post by jaydee on Dec 16, 2022 9:06:23 GMT
If we look at the case of the health workers, the nurses and paramedics, their union are demanding a 19% pay rise, the independent pay review body recommended a 4.75% increase, the Government is displaying fiscal responsibility by refusing such inflated claims. Sensible people realise this, you obviously don't because you are rather unhinged. Yeh. They have the same ability as you on that one. Should you not be on the Scottish forum ranted drivel about a ferry cock up. That cost the Scottish tax payer, and you nothing, less than what the wankers in Westminster pay tor billions of useless PPE that is costing the Scottish tax payer some £700,000 a day. No doubt going to their donors and pals bank accounts. . Or ranting the Jocks will have to use the euro, while you perform the act of not explaining how the FM stole all the money you are on about. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/storage-of-unused-ppe-costs-the-taxpayer-700-000-a-day-ssmf8hvtw
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Post by jaydee on Dec 16, 2022 9:24:17 GMT
Starmer is a Tory apologist.. . Right down to Brexit. And governments do not have money. Let the tax expert do the talking. This claim assumes that if £28 billion in extra wages is paid out this money just disappears, never to be seen again, and this assumption is so stupid it is laughable - except very few politicians seem to understand this. Let me explain. Let’s start with the fact that if £28 billion is paid out then this will top up existing pay. It will all be taxable and subject to national insurance. Assume tax is 20%, employee NI 12% and employer NI is 13.8% and the full NI cost is included in the £28bn.If you work the maths through the tax paid on that £28bn will be about 40.2% of the total in that case, or £11.3bn. That comes straight back to the government in other words. So the actual cost is already down to £16.7bn. That’s a lot less than £1,000 per household. And when that £16.7bn gets into people’s pockets they will spend it. This means more tax is paid. Not everything has VAT on it, but assuming this new money is the top part of people’s incomes and they’ve already covered the basic costs of living much of it will. So, let’s assume there’s an average of 15% VAT on what is bought with this money. Do the maths and that’s another £2.2bn or so of tax paid. That means the cost is down to £13.5bn now: half has already come back. Then those who get paid this money also pay tax on it. Some will be income tax, and some corporation tax. Some more will be national insurance. We don’t know the mix. Let’s be generous and say it’s 30%. That’s another £4bn of tax paid. Cost now, £9.5bn. But those who get this money will also pay tax on it. And so will the person who gets it after that. In fact, everyone will pay tax on it until some person who is wealthy enough to save gets it and puts it in a deposit account and stops the money rolling. In short the wankers want a strike to invent a new enemy. And it is being swallowed already. By those who are really unhinged. And actually think they are sensible. The obvious problem is that if you give nurses 19% then the other 5.7 million public sector workers will think they are entitled to the same. Your figures are also making massive assumptions, and you have completely missed out the pensions element (ie increase employer contributions, increased liabilities as it is final salary). It is alright saying the "government gets half of it back in tax" but it will have to increase borrowing while it waits for that tax to come in... and not all of it does come in because companies go bust owning thousands / millions in VAT. The obvious conclusion the same criteria will apply. And I have missed out nothing. Any rise in tax contribution means the government gets more money. You do understand governments do not have money. In terms of borrowing. You do understand that when this bunch of wankers in Westminster took power. The debt was £1.4 trillion. It is now £2.8 trillion. All down every penny to their mis-management. The technical term Double. Or are you going to be the apologist again for them and blame it on covid and Russia. And now the nurses. The latest enemy invented by them for you to hate. That fanny no longer holds any water. Did you see that despotic cretin JRM the pantomime toff, and his put on accent. Trying to tell a wine dealer his problems had nothing to do with Brexit, and it was all his fault.. Then waffled about trade deals that were all roll overs. I cannot understand why you still apologise for them. And do not say you do not. You do. Not to mention. Would you care to tell Professor Murphy unlike JRM, he is a idiot. www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2022/12/10/sunaks-talk-of-a-28bn-cost-of-public-sector-pay-rises-is-total-crap/ www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2022/12/15/we-need-inflation-matching-pay-rises/comment-page-1/
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 16, 2022 11:04:24 GMT
That said, if Labour get in we can expect an explosion of similar public sector non-jobs. So you're still going to vote for the Tories and another 12 years of chaos and bankruptcies, fiddling expenses and dishing out dodgy contracts? You're obviously one of the people who can be fooled all the time.
And the Starmer fan club rolls into town in the clown car. And Bang! Before you can say "Diversity Outreach Worker £100k a year" the wheels fall off and your trousers fall down.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 16, 2022 11:05:32 GMT
That's Nigel the one line wonder. Who insist Fascists and neo Nazis are left wing. Now there was me thinking Right wing Neo Nazis were right wing. I wonder if it has something to do with name And followed by the Keyboard Diarrhoeaist who never uses one line if a thousand irrelevant, misspelt ones will do.
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Post by jaydee on Dec 16, 2022 12:13:58 GMT
And followed by the Keyboard Diarrhoeaist who never uses one line if a thousand irrelevant, misspelt ones will do. Oh dear Nigel. My speeeeeling is orrible. It is on the same level of your politics. Be sure to spell correct from now. But then I give answers. You just rant one line wonders. All BS as you have just proved. Heard all this crap before.
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Post by jaydee on Dec 16, 2022 12:15:32 GMT
So you're still going to vote for the Tories and another 12 years of chaos and bankruptcies, fiddling expenses and dishing out dodgy contracts? You're obviously one of the people who can be fooled all the time.
And the Starmer fan club rolls into town in the clown car. And Bang! Before you can say "Diversity Outreach Worker £100k a year" the wheels fall off and your trousers fall down.
Ah Nigel the one line wonder. You would have a problem if your cacks fell down. You would not be able to see the R and L painted on your shoes.
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Post by Morgan on Dec 16, 2022 14:32:32 GMT
So you're still going to vote for the Tories and another 12 years of chaos and bankruptcies, fiddling expenses and dishing out dodgy contracts? You're obviously one of the people who can be fooled all the time.
And the Starmer fan club rolls into town in the clown car. And Bang! Before you can say "Diversity Outreach Worker £100k a year" the wheels fall off and your trousers fall down.
As I've told you before, there are invariably more than two parties standing for election in any area. The fact that I do not support the Tories doesn't mean I support Labour. I expect you find it difficult to comprehend that. Perhaps you're a slow reader. . Perhaps you'd like to try to find out which party got us into this mess in the first place.
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Post by jaydee on Dec 16, 2022 17:09:04 GMT
And the Starmer fan club rolls into town in the clown car. And Bang! Before you can say "Diversity Outreach Worker £100k a year" the wheels fall off and your trousers fall down.
As I've told you before, there are invariably more than two parties standing for election in any area. The fact that I do not support the Tories doesn't mean I support Labour. I expect you find it difficult to comprehend that. Perhaps you're a slow reader. . Perhaps you'd like to try to find out which party got us into this mess in the first place. Steady. That is by far to difficult question to ask Nigel. He can only do one line wonders. He thinks the NHS and the English National Football team are Nazis. They have National in their name
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