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Post by oracle75 on Dec 19, 2022 14:19:47 GMT
Those expenses are a block grant paid without requirement of receipts, an MEP can use the cheapest method of travel and trouser the difference. Watch a video of Daniel Hannan explaining how it works. And what are those expenses supposed to cover?
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Post by see2 on Dec 19, 2022 17:11:44 GMT
The EU doesn't want to reform, to fix the expenses system, or anything. They'd still have the information stored in paper form only and only possible to read at the records offices in Brussels / Strasbourg if they could. Indeed - On top of salary, MEPs can claim €9,500 a month in expenses and allowances without providing receipts. They may hold other paid jobs and need not publicly register contacts with agents of foreign states. So its not surprising that corruption is rife. It may not be surprising that corruption exists as it almost certainly exists elsewhere, but rife? that is an accusation that requires evidence.
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Post by Steve on Dec 19, 2022 17:17:49 GMT
Those expenses are a block grant paid without requirement of receipts, an MEP can use the cheapest method of travel and trouser the difference. Watch a video of Daniel Hannan explaining how it works. So what? Per diem no receipts expenses are not uncommon in industry and blessed by HMRC. They are a practical way of avoiding huge administration costs
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Post by Vinny on Dec 19, 2022 17:27:33 GMT
Those expenses are a block grant paid without requirement of receipts, an MEP can use the cheapest method of travel and trouser the difference. Watch a video of Daniel Hannan explaining how it works. And what are those expenses supposed to cover? Just have a read of this: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/1444566/I-shouldnt-say-this-but-the-expenses-here-are-fabulous.htmlAnd the bribe money paid by lobbyists is a very old problem being treated if it's a surprise. Nothing new at all. The only difference is, this got exposed in a very big way.
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Post by Steve on Dec 19, 2022 17:33:18 GMT
Well Farage would be the expert on fiddling expenses. Seeing as he got done for fiddling them. That would of course give him huge motivation to falsely imply fiddling was rife
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Post by Vinny on Dec 19, 2022 17:48:16 GMT
Was I defending Nigel Farage in that post ? I'm very glad to have sacked him.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 19, 2022 17:54:57 GMT
Indeed - On top of salary, MEPs can claim €9,500 a month in expenses and allowances without providing receipts. They may hold other paid jobs and need not publicly register contacts with agents of foreign states. So its not surprising that corruption is rife. It may not be surprising that corruption exists as it almost certainly exists elsewhere, but rife? that is an accusation that requires evidence. Ask Darling - he claimed that corrupt MEP's were running round for 2 decades without getting caught.
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Post by see2 on Dec 19, 2022 22:05:05 GMT
It may not be surprising that corruption exists as it almost certainly exists elsewhere, but rife? that is an accusation that requires evidence. Ask Darling - he claimed that corrupt MEP's were running round for 2 decades without getting caught. So once again you dodge the issue.
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Post by Toreador on Dec 19, 2022 22:19:08 GMT
Ask Darling - he claimed that corrupt MEP's were running round for 2 decades without getting caught. So once again you dodge the issue. I'll try. Why are their so many lobbyists surrounding the EU parliament buildings? Why does the digital tech industry spend around 100million euros trying to influence the EU and they're just one sector? Dear Nigel claimed he was inundated regularly with piles of mail from lobbyists. Heres an assessment from Google.of lobbying in the UK: How much is lobbying worth in the UK? The professional lobbying industry has been rapidly growing since the mid-1990s and in 2007 was estimated to be worth £1.9 billion, employing 14,000 people. The report also suggested that some MPs are approached over 100 times a week by lobbyists. I'm not going to attempt to check what happens right across the globe, best to just repeat how many crooks are elected to governments.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 19, 2022 22:26:40 GMT
Ask Darling - he claimed that corrupt MEP's were running round for 2 decades without getting caught. So once again you dodge the issue. I'm not here to police the EU's corruption problems - that is why I supported leaving. Darling claimed that the corruption was widely known yet nobody did anything about it - all that did was reinforce my (previously held) opinion of the EU.
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 19, 2022 22:29:27 GMT
The EU is not excusing the corruption that has been uncovered. On the contrary it has immediately dealt with it as far is possible without complete due process. Charges of lobbying etc. apply to every corporate structure which tries to attract business, from the salesman getting orders for nail files to the wealthy country selling arms. Or buy8ng influence. And for anyone in any country to accuse another body of corruption is either playing political games for their own reasons or is openly hypocritical. It would be better if all bodies acted as quickly as the EU did. It has to immediately deal with the corruption scandal. It is known as damage limitation. A few of it's pigs were caught red handed with noses in troughs. This is probably rife within the EU and this example is probably just the tip of the iceberg. However, every time someone is caught the EU loses credibility and it has to go into damage limitation.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 20, 2022 11:01:59 GMT
So once again you dodge the issue. I'm not here to police the EU's corruption problems - that is why I supported leaving. Darling claimed that the corruption was widely known yet nobody did anything about it - all that did was reinforce my (previously held) opinion of the EU. I see you're just plain lying now, Doc. You still haven't explained why the Bylines list can't appear in a separate thread of its own. Your argument for not allowing it to be introduced into other threads made a little sense. It is, after all, VERY long. But that argument doesn't hold up when a separate thread is created for the sole purpose of hosting the list.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 20, 2022 11:31:50 GMT
I'm not here to police the EU's corruption problems - that is why I supported leaving. Darling claimed that the corruption was widely known yet nobody did anything about it - all that did was reinforce my (previously held) opinion of the EU. I see you're just plain lying now, Doc. Who is lying - you claimed that the EU allowed corrupt MEP's to get away with it for 2 decades.. Or perhaps it was you lying about MEP's being corrupt.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 20, 2022 11:36:33 GMT
I see you're just plain lying now, Doc. Who is lying - you claimed that the EU allowed corrupt MEP's to get away with it for 2 decades.. Or perhaps it was you lying about MEP's being corrupt. Farage's vote was in 2015 or 2016. It doesn't take very long for brown envelopes to be exchanged. That's not two decades. It's probably not even two hours. Now, can you address the Bylines issue? As I said, my suggestion would bypass the 'problem' you highlighted before. Strictly speaking, you only said that the list couldn't be introduced into another thread; you said nothing about starting a thread dedicated entirely to it. I thought I would check with you before starting such a thread.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 20, 2022 11:42:02 GMT
Who is lying - you claimed that the EU allowed corrupt MEP's to get away with it for 2 decades.. Or perhaps it was you lying about MEP's being corrupt. Farage's vote was in 2015 or 2016. It doesn't take very long for brown envelopes to be exchanged. That's not two decades. It's probably not even two hours. Farage was an MEP for 2 decades - if he was corrupt as you claim then the EU had plenty of time to combat that corruption. You are free to start a thread about whatever fake news you want - if you wish to believe that Bylines is an authoritative source feel free - we have posters believing all sorts of weird things on this forum (see the threads on Ukraine)
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