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Post by om15 on Dec 10, 2022 15:20:04 GMT
A few months ago we watched a simpering Kay Burley interviewing a smarty alec Mick Lynch, being a cool dude and becoming an icon.
Now he looks rather hunted and gaunt, it appears the Government intend to squash him and the attempt by the hard left to overthrow the Tories will be binned. Using the rather gormless nurses to blackmail the NHS may appeal to the hard of thinking, however the general public don't think very much of the NHS at the moment and certainly don't have much sympathy with striking nurses.
The troops will (again) be called in to hold the line, but in the end I think Lynch will go the way of Red Robbo and Scargill, it will be interesting.
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Post by jeg er on Dec 10, 2022 18:30:03 GMT
what makes you think the general public do not think very much of the NHS?
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Post by om15 on Dec 10, 2022 18:45:51 GMT
Well I dare say the seven million on a waiting list for an operation are not impressed, nor the sixty five million who can't get access to a GP.
We have paid (via NI and tax contributions) for something that we are not getting, part of the problem is the nationalised industry mentality of the people who work there, part of it is our money being squandered on diversity training and rubbish like that and part on the gross over manning of nurses and support staff. Private hospitals work on a fraction of the staff and give immeasurably better service. It doesn't get any better when the head of the NHS is more interested in the menopausal middle aged women who work there rather than the patents lying on stretchers in the car park.
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Post by jeg er on Dec 10, 2022 19:24:15 GMT
Well I dare say the seven million on a waiting list for an operation are not impressed, nor the sixty five million who can't get access to a GP. i thought you would say that, hence the question well, the simple response to that is that situation would not make the general public feel they do not think much of the NHS, they would think they do not think much about the government, due to underfunding of course, obviously, i have to add that is complete bollox to say 65 million people cannot access a GP. i can only assume you were speaking in dogma when you wrote that, and do not literally believe that is true. for common sense would dictate it cant be |
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Post by morayloon on Dec 10, 2022 22:15:58 GMT
Well I dare say the seven million on a waiting list for an operation are not impressed, nor the sixty five million who can't get access to a GP. We have paid (via NI and tax contributions) for something that we are not getting, part of the problem is the nationalised industry mentality of the people who work there, part of it is our money being squandered on diversity training and rubbish like that and part on the gross over manning of nurses and support staff. Private hospitals work on a fraction of the staff and give immeasurably better service. It doesn't get any better when the head of the NHS is more interested in the menopausal middle aged women who work there rather than the patents lying on stretchers in the car park. Well, where to start? I don't think I'll bother. Only to say that that post is total mince like so many of your unbalanced efforts. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 8:48:04 GMT
A few months ago we watched a simpering Kay Burley interviewing a smarty alec Mick Lynch, being a cool dude and becoming an icon. Now he looks rather hunted and gaunt, it appears the Government intend to squash him and the attempt by the hard left to overthrow the Tories will be binned. Using the rather gormless nurses to blackmail the NHS may appeal to the hard of thinking, however the general public don't think very much of the NHS at the moment and certainly don't have much sympathy with striking nurses. The troops will (again) be called in to hold the line, but in the end I think Lynch will go the way of Red Robbo and Scargill, it will be interesting. "it appears the Government intend to squash him", that is the saddest indictment of our country the Tories and those that support 'crushing' the unions. If someone becomes 'popular' and talks sense whilst fighting for the working people, destroy him. When we learn that the Tories do not represent and have never represented the majority of the people in this country. |
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Post by om15 on Dec 11, 2022 12:38:44 GMT
I have not seen any evidence that Mick Lynch is considered popular, nor in fact have I ever heard him talk sense.
He is not standing up for working people, only trade union members, those in fact in the public services sector that have their salaries, pensions, sick pay, menopause allowances and diversity training actually paid for by working people.
He is going to destroy himself, he has pitted himself against the Government and will lose, that's up to him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 14:33:40 GMT
I have not seen any evidence that Mick Lynch is considered popular, nor in fact have I ever heard him talk sense. He is not standing up for working people, only trade union members, those in fact in the public services sector that have their salaries, pensions, sick pay, menopause allowances and diversity training actually paid for by working people. He is going to destroy himself, he has pitted himself against the Government and will lose, that's up to him. Do you think workers getting a fair pay settlement is not common sense? They have been getting pays 'cuts' each year and now they want a proper settlement. Do you think talking about workers safety is not common sense? |
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Post by om15 on Dec 11, 2022 15:04:43 GMT
The responsibility for workers safety lies with the Government, they discharge this responsibility under the Health and Safety Act 1974, it has nothing what so ever to do with Mick Lynch and it is presumptions of him to even pretend that it has. Further information can be read here, let me know what you think Mick Lynch has got right and what the UK Government has got wrong. www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1974/37/contents |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 11, 2022 17:17:02 GMT
When enough people start to suffer because of NHS strikes the public will turn on the nurses . The government can stand back and watch this happen .
Ditto rail workers . The government will jump at the chance of undermining Mick Lynch. He could do to the rail unions what Scargill did to the miners .
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Post by morayloon on Dec 11, 2022 17:53:10 GMT
When enough people start to suffer because of NHS strikes the public will turn on the nurses . The government can stand back and watch this happen . Ditto rail workers . The government will jump at the chance of undermining Mick Lynch. He could do to the rail unions what Scargill did to the miners . You know, I am old enough to remember the Tory Government of 1970-74. They tried to take on the Unions. The used the slogan 'Who Governs Britain' (or words to that effect). Much of the electorate decided it wasn't Heath and the Tories, rightly, were kicked out of office. I can see the same happening with this Government. They are sitting back and letting the strikes continue. According to Mick Lynch the Government is bank rolling the rail companies, ensuring that they don't lose money. At the same time the workers are forced to strike to try and achieve a decent wage increase to help offset the huge hike in prices. The problem for the Government is that the population of the UK, mainly, are in the same boat. They see companies recording unreal profits, shareholders getting massive pay outs, CEOs and directors receiving huge pay awards and, meanwhile, the men/women in the street are suffering real term pay cuts. It can't go on! There is massive sympathy for the strikers. Sunak et al don't seem to recognise that and he and his Government are intent on 'breaking' the Unions. The people realise that Unions are a force for good and no amount of demonising their leaders is going to change that fact. Lynch et al are spokesmen/women for their members. The members have to jump through hoops to get a decision to strike. Yet the Government has decided to turn their back on the democratic action of the Union members. Compare the UK Government's so called neutrality to ScotGov, who are actively involved in trying to negotiate a settlement in each of the battlegrounds. |
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Post by om15 on Dec 11, 2022 18:13:42 GMT
Ten years later Mrs Thatcher took on the unions and won.
I haven't seen evidence of that.
No they don't.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 11, 2022 18:14:24 GMT
Sack all the diversity parasites.
Hire more doctors and nurses. It doesn't matter what colour they are.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 11, 2022 18:17:53 GMT
When enough people start to suffer because of NHS strikes the public will turn on the nurses . The government can stand back and watch this happen . Ditto rail workers . The government will jump at the chance of undermining Mick Lynch. He could do to the rail unions what Scargill did to the miners . You know, I am old enough to remember the Tory Government of 1970-74. They tried to take on the Unions. The used the slogan 'Who Governs Britain' (or words to that effect). Much of the electorate decided it wasn't Heath and the Tories, rightly, were kicked out of office. I can see the same happening with this Government. They are sitting back and letting the strikes continue. According to Mick Lynch the Government is bank rolling the rail companies, ensuring that they don't lose money. At the same time the workers are forced to strike to try and achieve a decent wage increase to help offset the huge hike in prices. The problem for the Government is that the population of the UK, mainly, are in the same boat. They see companies recording unreal profits, shareholders getting massive pay outs, CEOs and directors receiving huge pay awards and, meanwhile, the men/women in the street are suffering real term pay cuts. It can't go on! There is massive sympathy for the strikers. Sunak et al don't seem to recognise that and he and his Government are intent on 'breaking' the Unions. The people realise that Unions are a force for good and no amount of demonising their leaders is going to change that fact. Lynch et al are spokesmen/women for their members. The members have to jump through hoops to get a decision to strike. Yet the Government has decided to turn their back on the democratic action of the Union members. Compare the UK Government's so called neutrality to ScotGov, who are actively involved in trying to negotiate a settlement in each of the battlegrounds. I remember too and I also remember that the following Labour government couldn’t resolve the issues . In fact it took Thatchers government to control the unions . Labour were led by the nose with beer and sandwiches meetings iirc. The unions showed just how weak both governments were while the unions had the power to grind society to a halt . I agree that there is a huge imbalance of wealth today. I believe that has much to do with Thatchers policies and her policies were a direct result of the dithering of the previous governments. Heath’s government was more socialist than Blair iirc. However times have changed . Unions have a fraction of members and only appear in view of the general public when they are striking . Imo the public are seeing a cartel of workers trying to snatch a bigger piece of a small pie by force . None of the unions are striking for more money for their own members , not a general pay rise. Well of course they would . That won’t endear them to the public if enough people suffer and/ or know that they have no chance of any kind of parity in wages rises. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 7:28:06 GMT
The responsibility for workers safety lies with the Government, they discharge this responsibility under the Health and Safety Act 1974, it has nothing what so ever to do with Mick Lynch and it is presumptions of him to even pretend that it has. Further information can be read here, let me know what you think Mick Lynch has got right and what the UK Government has got wrong. www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1974/37/contentsThat's why the train companies are reducing track inspections and the Tories are happy with that. 😔 Some people need to listen to what is being said not what they think is being said. |
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