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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 7:29:07 GMT
When enough people start to suffer because of NHS strikes the public will turn on the nurses . The government can stand back and watch this happen . Ditto rail workers . The government will jump at the chance of undermining Mick Lynch. He could do to the rail unions what Scargill did to the miners . That's exactly what the government wants to happen, why do you think they wont talk to the unions? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 12, 2022 11:17:51 GMT
A few months ago we watched a simpering Kay Burley interviewing a smarty alec Mick Lynch, being a cool dude and becoming an icon. Now he looks rather hunted and gaunt, it appears the Government intend to squash him and the attempt by the hard left to overthrow the Tories will be binned. Using the rather gormless nurses to blackmail the NHS may appeal to the hard of thinking, however the general public don't think very much of the NHS at the moment and certainly don't have much sympathy with striking nurses. The troops will (again) be called in to hold the line, but in the end I think Lynch will go the way of Red Robbo and Scargill, it will be interesting. I think the public don’t think much of the NHS Management sbd it’s political overseers. Most who have had to endure it seem to think rather a lot of the poor buggers in various colours of scrubs they encounter on their way through its corridors. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 12, 2022 11:20:11 GMT
When enough people start to suffer because of NHS strikes the public will turn on the nurses . The government can stand back and watch this happen . Ditto rail workers . The government will jump at the chance of undermining Mick Lynch. He could do to the rail unions what Scargill did to the miners . You know, I am old enough to remember the Tory Government of 1970-74. They tried to take on the Unions. The used the slogan 'Who Governs Britain' (or words to that effect). Much of the electorate decided it wasn't Heath and the Tories, rightly, were kicked out of office. I can see the same happening with this Government. They are sitting back and letting the strikes continue. According to Mick Lynch the Government is bank rolling the rail companies, ensuring that they don't lose money. At the same time the workers are forced to strike to try and achieve a decent wage increase to help offset the huge hike in prices. The problem for the Government is that the population of the UK, mainly, are in the same boat. They see companies recording unreal profits, shareholders getting massive pay outs, CEOs and directors receiving huge pay awards and, meanwhile, the men/women in the street are suffering real term pay cuts. It can't go on! There is massive sympathy for the strikers. Sunak et al don't seem to recognise that and he and his Government are intent on 'breaking' the Unions. The people realise that Unions are a force for good and no amount of demonising their leaders is going to change that fact. Lynch et al are spokesmen/women for their members. The members have to jump through hoops to get a decision to strike. Yet the Government has decided to turn their back on the democratic action of the Union members. Compare the UK Government's so called neutrality to ScotGov, who are actively involved in trying to negotiate a settlement in each of the battlegrounds. Beat me to it Ted Heath went to the people to ask ‘who governs Britain’ and was pretty solidly told ‘not you, pal’ |
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Post by dodgydave on Dec 13, 2022 3:50:11 GMT
I have not seen any evidence that Mick Lynch is considered popular, nor in fact have I ever heard him talk sense. He is not standing up for working people, only trade union members, those in fact in the public services sector that have their salaries, pensions, sick pay, menopause allowances and diversity training actually paid for by working people. He is going to destroy himself, he has pitted himself against the Government and will lose, that's up to him. So when you say you have listened to him, you actually mean you have seen 5 second snippets of him on the news, or read some bullshit article on him? If you had bothered to listen to one of his full speeches then you would realise that he talks a lot of sense. Unless you are totally blind how can you not see that he is right on the following: 1) Pay and terms and conditions are being eroded in a race to the bottom (ie things are getting worse, not better). 2) Full-time secure employment is being replaced by zero hour contracts and agency workers. 3) The government will do nothing for the working person, all rights have to be fought for. 4) Resenting a union member for fighting for better pay and conditions because you have shit pay and T&Cs is stupid and self-defeating. The guy is massively popular because he doesn't accept the bullshit "union baron" narrative, and he doesn't accept that member of the public and union members are two different things. Union members are members of the public too!! |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 13, 2022 5:06:35 GMT
We were given an afternoons training on the Green Goddess before being deployed to Deal in Kent, to be firemen. This was in 1977, I'd been in the army for less than a year. I didn't know it at the time but that was the first of many Christmases I would spend away from home. I suppose at that time I was earning a quarter of what a striking fireman were earning and even back then we were pissed off about it, but the army is no democracy. We had people in the team who knew what they were doing, but at that time I was wide eyed and clueless.
Years later and looking back, I didn't grow up until I was in my mid twenties. Northern Ireland was an eye opener, it wasn't exactly enjoyable but it was the first time I felt as if I was doing something worthwhile. It was what I joined the army for. At the 11 year point the OC sat me down and gave me a talking to, he was a good OC, ex commando sqn. He had faith in me, he told me my future was in my hands.
I never got bust or went to jail again, I'd already done all sorts of courses so promotion came quickly but to late. I left a 22 year Sgt, and tbh, I don't regret it. I had a great time. I saw the world at the tax payers expense, I went on god knows how many skiing courses, climbing courses, canoeing courses, and a very eventful sailing course in the Baltic will never be forgotten, I have hundreds of photos which are the history of my life. Far better than looking at a phone.
Anyhoo, I'm out of ice so I'm off to the dwelling. And yes Dappy, I am pissed.
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