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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 18, 2024 13:19:04 GMT
Rwanda was a deterrent, the Irish government said illegals were crossing from Northern Ireland into the EU because they were worried about being sent to Rwanda, that's called a deterrent. Come on Red, I know you're not geographically illiterate, so I'm sure you're aware that they still came across the English channel, so saying that it deters the boats is actually disingenuous. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 18, 2024 13:22:11 GMT
Rwanda was a deterrent, the Irish government said illegals were crossing from Northern Ireland into the EU because they were worried about being sent to Rwanda, that's called a deterrent. Come on Red, I know you're not geographically illiterate, so I'm sure you're aware that they still came across the English channel, so saying that it deters the boats is actually disingenuous. The boats could easily be stopped if we had a shitshow with a pair of balls. We have debated that fact to death on other threads. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 18, 2024 14:25:05 GMT
Rwanda was a deterrent, the Irish government said illegals were crossing from Northern Ireland into the EU because they were worried about being sent to Rwanda, that's called a deterrent. Come on Red, I know you're not geographically illiterate, so I'm sure you're aware that they still came across the English channel, so saying that it deters the boats is actually disingenuous. No that won't wash These are two very different sets of figures To fully understand what is going on, you need to know how informed those being put on boats by people smugglers are as to what may befall them, and what they fear may happen when here What is clear beyond doubt is people were trying to cross from northern Ireland to eire, fearing deportation to Rwanda if they remained in the EU. Even the scum BBC admitted this as a fact. What would those in Calais do if fully appraised of the reception that awaits ? Would they have paid to come here if they were aware Rwanda awaited ? Particularly given Rwanda was chosen as a country near yo one they pass d through months ago ? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 18, 2024 15:25:39 GMT
Come on Red, I know you're not geographically illiterate, so I'm sure you're aware that they still came across the English channel, so saying that it deters the boats is actually disingenuous. No that won't wash These are two very different sets of figures To fully understand what is going on, you need to know how informed those being put on boats by people smugglers are as to what may befall them, and what they fear may happen when here What is clear beyond doubt is people were trying to cross from northern Ireland to eire, fearing deportation to Rwanda if they remained in the EU. Even the scum BBC admitted this as a fact. What would those in Calais do if fully appraised of the reception that awaits ? Would they have paid to come here if they were aware Rwanda awaited ? Particularly given Rwanda was chosen as a country near yo one they pass d through months ago ? Well, ultimately we'll never know. The government claimed it would, even though their advice said that it wouldn't. I suspect that the government were conscious that it would never go ahead, so essentially they could say what they liked. What I was pointing out though was that Red was trying to say that the fact that some had moved through the UK to Eire was somehow evidence of a deterrent, and I was making the observation that even in this case they were travelling to the UK. So if stopping them coming to the UK was the aim of thus deterrent, then it failed. If the aim of the deterrent was to move some of these to Eire, then yes, you'd be correct. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 18, 2024 16:55:10 GMT
No that won't wash These are two very different sets of figures To fully understand what is going on, you need to know how informed those being put on boats by people smugglers are as to what may befall them, and what they fear may happen when here What is clear beyond doubt is people were trying to cross from northern Ireland to eire, fearing deportation to Rwanda if they remained in the EU. Even the scum BBC admitted this as a fact. What would those in Calais do if fully appraised of the reception that awaits ? Would they have paid to come here if they were aware Rwanda awaited ? Particularly given Rwanda was chosen as a country near yo one they pass d through months ago ? Well, ultimately we'll never know. The government claimed it would, even though their advice said that it wouldn't. I suspect that the government were conscious that it would never go ahead, so essentially they could say what they liked. What I was pointing out though was that Red was trying to say that the fact that some had moved through the UK to Eire was somehow evidence of a deterrent, and I was making the observation that even in this case they were travelling to the UK. So if stopping them coming to the UK was the aim of thus deterrent, then it failed. If the aim of the deterrent was to move some of these to Eire, then yes, you'd be correct. Well, yes I agree we'll never know Even if someone official did, they'd bury it. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 18, 2024 16:57:05 GMT
No that won't wash These are two very different sets of figures To fully understand what is going on, you need to know how informed those being put on boats by people smugglers are as to what may befall them, and what they fear may happen when here What is clear beyond doubt is people were trying to cross from northern Ireland to eire, fearing deportation to Rwanda if they remained in the EU. Even the scum BBC admitted this as a fact. What would those in Calais do if fully appraised of the reception that awaits ? Would they have paid to come here if they were aware Rwanda awaited ? Particularly given Rwanda was chosen as a country near yo one they pass d through months ago ? What I was pointing out though was that Red was trying to say that the fact that some had moved through the UK to Eire was somehow evidence of a deterrent, and I was making the observation that even in this case they were travelling to the UK. So if stopping them coming to the UK was the aim of thus deterrent, then it failed. If the aim of the deterrent was to move some of these to Eire, then yes, you'd be correct. IMHO that's a little pedantic considering Red's point was expressed broadly. Leaving is very nearly as good as not coming at all. Not good for Ireland though - we should be there for them if they change their minds about being a doormat |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2024 17:22:02 GMT
Not those ones. The ones who applied to work here and were accepted. The 8 million, not the few hundred thousand. That vigorous group of healthy young men have in their number, where over 60 % lie between the ages of 30 and 60, approx 15% whose health is recorded as fair to poor (similar to the resident population) the only advantage is they are younger overall. Yes that's why they need more every year. Are you struggling with the concept of aging? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2024 17:24:11 GMT
Come on Red, I know you're not geographically illiterate, so I'm sure you're aware that they still came across the English channel, so saying that it deters the boats is actually disingenuous. The boats could easily be stopped if we had a shitshow with a pair of balls. We have debated that fact to death on other threads. Yes, if we only had the balls to kill them, it would be so easy. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2024 17:26:53 GMT
The boats could easily be stopped if we had a shitshow with a pair of balls. We have debated that fact to death on other threads. Yes, if we only had the balls to kill them, it would be so easy. We don’t need to kill them. We just need to make the UK a worse option than staying in France . |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2024 17:29:52 GMT
Come on Red, I know you're not geographically illiterate, so I'm sure you're aware that they still came across the English channel, so saying that it deters the boats is actually disingenuous. No that won't wash These are two very different sets of figures To fully understand what is going on, you need to know how informed those being put on boats by people smugglers are as to what may befall them, and what they fear may happen when here What is clear beyond doubt is people were trying to cross from northern Ireland to eire, fearing deportation to Rwanda if they remained in the EU. Even the scum BBC admitted this as a fact. What would those in Calais do if fully appraised of the reception that awaits ? Would they have paid to come here if they were aware Rwanda awaited ? Particularly given Rwanda was chosen as a country near yo one they pass d through months ago ? I suspect they wouldn't believe it seeing as only a half a dozen would actually go. Its like telling them the channel is dangerous to cross, when 32,000 have crossed and only 50 died. We need something better than Rwanda or fear to stop them. I still favour the idea that we have offshore application for Asylum and anyone trying to queue jump by crossing the channel is told they will never get residency and be put in a prison camp until they are deported. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2024 17:31:44 GMT
Yes, if we only had the balls to kill them, it would be so easy. We don’t need to kill them. We just need to make the UK a worse option than staying in France . Ah, is that why the Tories have been destroying the country, makes sense now. They wanted to make it worse than the camps in Calais, they did pretty well too. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 18, 2024 17:41:21 GMT
The boats could easily be stopped if we had a shitshow with a pair of balls. We have debated that fact to death on other threads. Yes, if we only had the balls to kill them, it would be so easy. Who said anything about killing them ffs. If we stopped the boats and turned them around in mid channel that would be their own choice to put their lives in jeopardy. Some are dying now in the channel in their headlong rush to get to the promised land. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2024 17:47:00 GMT
Yes, if we only had the balls to kill them, it would be so easy. Who said anything about killing them ffs. If we stopped the boats and turned them around in mid channel that would be their own choice to put their lives in jeopardy. Some are dying now in the channel in their headlong rush to get to the promised land. Ah that bit of daftness, sorry I thought that had been so thoroughly debunked it was dead. So we turn a bot around by force without harming anyone in an overloaded dingy and we push them into French waters. Then they turn around again and we turn them back again, then they turn around and we turn them back again, then they turn around and we turn them back again, then they turn around and we turn them back again, then they turn around and we turn them back again, |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2024 17:52:50 GMT
We don’t need to kill them. We just need to make the UK a worse option than staying in France . Ah, is that why the Tories have been destroying the country, makes sense now. They wanted to make it worse than the camps in Calais, they did pretty well too. I suggest that you breath in an organic paper bag for a while . You seem to have triggered yourself . Are you saying that all of France is similar to the camps in Calais , are you waffling or are you trying to be droll? We need to know. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 18, 2024 17:56:07 GMT
Who said anything about killing them ffs. If we stopped the boats and turned them around in mid channel that would be their own choice to put their lives in jeopardy. Some are dying now in the channel in their headlong rush to get to the promised land. Ah that bit of daftness, sorry I thought that had been so thoroughly debunked it was dead. So we turn a bot around by force without harming anyone in an overloaded dingy and we push them into French waters. Then they turn around again and we turn them back again, then they turn around and we turn them back again, then they turn around and we turn them back again, then they turn around and we turn them back again, then they turn around and we turn them back again, We could use the Kim Jon BloidySillyHaircut approach 50cal machine gun and flamethrower on the corpses |
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