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Post by Orac on Nov 17, 2024 21:26:47 GMT
Sure you would, if the only feasible alternatives were promising yet more would be invited Sadly I tend to agree. There was no party we believed would curb immigration. even sadder that's because no one dare discuss the costs of stopping it. You see the classic reaction on here. We have become a cake and eat it society. Their were no costs until the policy crippled our society. Costs are always measured against an alternative scenario. If we had not gone down this absurd route, we would be fine. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 17, 2024 21:31:16 GMT
Sadly I tend to agree. There was no party we believed would curb immigration. even sadder that's because no one dare discuss the costs of stopping it. You see the classic reaction on here. We have become a cake and eat it society. Their were no costs until the policy crippled our society. Costs are always measured against an alternative scenario. If we had not gone down this absurd route, we would be fine. Nothing left to discuss then. You got what you voted for. Cake and eat it. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 17, 2024 21:57:53 GMT
Depends who they are and where they come from. In 1992, Denmark took in 321 Palestinian refugees. By 2019, 64% of them had been convicted of a crime. 34% of their children had also been convicted of a crime. Not those ones. The ones who applied to work here and were accepted. The 8 million, not the few hundred thousand. That vigorous group of healthy young men have in their number, where over 60 % lie between the ages of 30 and 60, approx 15% whose health is recorded as fair to poor (similar to the resident population) the only advantage is they are younger overall. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 17, 2024 22:02:18 GMT
Their were no costs until the policy crippled our society. Costs are always measured against an alternative scenario. If we had not gone down this absurd route, we would be fine. Nothing left to discuss then. You got what you voted for. Cake and eat it. No - as noted, we got what we voted against the argument is whether we deserved it for being gullible and not taking matters into our own hands when it became obvious the government was refusing to do its job |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 17, 2024 23:06:34 GMT
Depends who they are and where they come from. In 1992, Denmark took in 321 Palestinian refugees. By 2019, 64% of them had been convicted of a crime. 34% of their children had also been convicted of a crime. Not those ones. The ones who applied to work here and were accepted. The 8 million, not the few hundred thousand. But most of them didn't apply to work here. Of net migration of 2 million non-EU nationals into Britain over the last 5 years only 15% came on work visas - this year the government has given more family visas to relatives of Somali nationals than it gave work visas to physicists, chemists & biologists from all other countries combined. Even the ones that come on a work visa do not contribute unless they are on the average wage - circa £35k.  |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 17, 2024 23:31:08 GMT
More bullshit from planet zany. I see you never posted on the thread where the wankers are now going to get private healthcare. Not illegal migrants Jonsky. The legal ones we invited to come and work here. Yes illegal ones zany put up in hotels ffs....And as for the legal ones we invite they add zilch to the UK coffers. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 17, 2024 23:34:07 GMT
Their were no costs until the policy crippled our society. Costs are always measured against an alternative scenario. If we had not gone down this absurd route, we would be fine. Nothing left to discuss then. You got what you voted for. Cake and eat it. When were we given the chance to vote against immigration zany? Like fucking net zero bollocks it was thrust up on us... |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 18, 2024 8:11:02 GMT
How can you possibly blame this government for making the UK the destination of choice. What have they done in 4 months to make this country the destination of choice? Your drinking or your hatred is clouding your judgement Red. Don't talk bloody rubbish, Starmers double standards are a national embarrassment. Rwanda was a deterrent, the Irish government said illegals were crossing from Northern Ireland into the EU because they were worried about being sent to Rwanda, that's called a deterrent. Starmer scrapped the plan citing human rights concerns in Rwanda, yet he says he wants to "build a serious relationship with China" Hello, human rights! Since this government came to power the Home Office and DWP have stopped giving information ref the vast amount of money immigrants, both legal and illegal, are costing us. Why do you think that is? This left wing socialist government are proving to be incompetent secretive liars. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 18, 2024 8:27:45 GMT
It's a myth, strange how we see them arriving in their droves, but never see them leaving.
I don't believe for one moment Starmer is deporting these illegals on mass, probably the odd one or two who aren't bright enough to work the system get deported.
The likes of the lefty Mirror peddles drivel like this, because they are utterly embarrassed that they endorsed this dire despicable useless no good for nothing amateur government, I'd be embarrassed myself.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 18, 2024 8:37:56 GMT
It's a myth, strange how we see them arriving in their droves, but never see them leaving.I don't believe for one moment Starmer is deporting these illegals on mass, probably the odd one or two who aren't bright enough to work the system get deported. The likes of the lefty Mirror peddles drivel like this, because they are utterly embarrassed that they endorsed this dire despicable useless no good for nothing amateur government, I'd be embarrassed myself. Maybe these are the ones who are turning up in our towns and villages at the dead of night to be put up in hotels. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 18, 2024 8:58:31 GMT
They all lie, It's how they make a living, they're followers of fashion trying to convince us the lies are somehow the truth.
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Post by sheepy on Nov 18, 2024 9:15:20 GMT
Their were no costs until the policy crippled our society. Costs are always measured against an alternative scenario. If we had not gone down this absurd route, we would be fine. Nothing left to discuss then. You got what you voted for. Cake and eat it. All for the greater good then Zany and woe betide anyone who says differently. But it might seem the affects people see and feel are not for their greater good, so it must be for somebody else's. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 18, 2024 11:23:26 GMT
Well, it's unlikely the raft of lefty lawyers will kick up as much of a fuss at Starmer doing it. But I smell a rat |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 18, 2024 11:28:51 GMT
What happens when your grand plan fails? Wait another five years? It took well over a decade to get Labour out the last time, and we ended up with well over a decade of Red Tories. I would say you've run out of time. You can't even challenge Political Islam today without being investigated by the police. The Islamists control you with threats and violence, which the politicians have either submitted to out of fear, or are using to persecute YOU with their extreme authoritarian Orwellian state. 'My' grand plan, lol. It's not my plan, it's Labours plan. And I have every confidence that things will get a damned sight worse, but one thing this poxy anti English government cannot do is stop the next election and as I've said before, Farage and Reform UK don't have to do anything, Labour are dong it for them. Fourteen year olds who will have a vote in 2026 thanks to Welsh labour already think it taboo to criticise islamic rapists and corrupt Pakistani politicians on the take in Britain And I mean when presented with the media reports of these crimes, they accept the reports, but have been conditioned by the state that these cannot be discussed for fear of getting into trouble And as I said, in 2026 they will have a vote in the Welsh assembly and council elections because labour relies on child votes now |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 18, 2024 11:30:53 GMT
A mystery that always nagged me about the Tories was the number of Albanian gangsters in the country. My own modelling of the situation was that no elected government would order their electorate to be rogered in this manner and so this bizarre situation was a feature of a out of control civil service whose management was compromised or just plain composed of perverts who were doing it for their personal amusement. The last time something similar was attempted, there were people on the planes preventing take off and a flurries of 'judicial activism' - so what changed this time? Were people paid off? Were all these immigrants not gay? Btw - I feel pretty confident the 'doors from Africa' are wedged fully open and it will remain that way. Instead of looking for conspiracy, have you done any research? How have Labour managed this turn around? Do they have better lawyers  On legal immigration I wait with baited breath to see if the public are informed of the costs and given the choices. A very good point Do you think the staff at the Immigration and Asylum Tribunal Service would be aware of this magnificent upswing ? |
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