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Post by borgr0 on Nov 23, 2024 5:43:06 GMT
While i accept the land in conflict is Jewish holy land . I dont accept that Zionist have a scripture right to the land. But its a land for the people Jewish faith not zionist atheist. Has for the Barbaric action of Hamas and other terrorists groups on oct 7th it was a result of poking a sleeping bear with a stick. Having said that the zionist have a right to seek and destroy Hamas . But not until the verge of genocide I Believe in a two state solution . I want whatever God wants “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36). Maybe all these wars are indeed meant to happen and this is what has to happen, in order to test us, it increasingly seems WWIII will break out I just read Western officials are considering sending Ukraine a nuclear bomb. That was in Western mainstream media, not Russia Today. I guess this is how it goes |
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Post by Orac on Nov 23, 2024 5:47:59 GMT
While i accept the land in conflict is Jewish holy land . I dont accept that Zionist have a scripture right to the land. But its a land for the people Jewish faith not zionist atheist. Has for the Barbaric action of Hamas and other terrorists groups on oct 7th it was a result of poking a sleeping bear with a stick. Having said that the zionist have a right to seek and destroy Hamas . But not until the verge of genocide I Believe in a two state solution . I think looking at this through the lens of which group has more right to the land is pointless. The area can be shared in a way that allows Jews to live outside the jurisdiction of Islam and Muslims to live outside the Jurisdiction of Zionists, or it can be settled by war. If the militarily weak side keeps insisting that it should be settled by war - who am i to second guess their decision? |
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Post by borgr0 on Nov 23, 2024 5:49:39 GMT
There were reports it was instigated by outside forces, some say Russian mercs had a hand in actually training Hamas leading up to the attack, other reports say Iran actually pushed for something like this to happen.
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Post by Orac on Nov 23, 2024 5:51:44 GMT
As i said the first time, nobody knows (or agrees), so 'who started it' can't be used in an argument that has any power However, one side did 'take a swing' and that side is now complaining about repercussions. And it can be argued that the other side took a 'swing' first, it all depends on if you think settling is justified I didn't say anyone took 'the first swing' - i keep saying that argumentation is pointless If you come at a the big guy in the bar he is going to fight - if you keep going at him, you will keep getting smashed |
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Post by Orac on Nov 23, 2024 5:53:32 GMT
While i accept the land in conflict is Jewish holy land . I dont accept that Zionist have a scripture right to the land. But its a land for the people Jewish faith not zionist atheist. Has for the Barbaric action of Hamas and other terrorists groups on oct 7th it was a result of poking a sleeping bear with a stick. Having said that the zionist have a right to seek and destroy Hamas . But not until the verge of genocide I Believe in a two state solution . I want whatever God wants “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36). Maybe all these wars are indeed meant to happen and this is what has to happen, in order to test us, it increasingly seems WWIII will break out I just read Western officials are considering sending Ukraine a nuclear bomb. That was in Western mainstream media, not Russia Today. I guess this is how it goes It's going how i predicted - ie not at all well |
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Post by borgr0 on Nov 23, 2024 6:24:06 GMT
And it can be argued that the other side took a 'swing' first, it all depends on if you think settling is justified I didn't say anyone took 'the first swing' - i keep saying that argumentation is pointless If you come at a the big guy in the bar he is going to fight - if you keep going at him, you will keep getting smashedFair enough, however, if you just stand there and let him stick a bottle in your face and rip your cheek out with the broken end, many would argue it's going to happen anyway so might as well try to do something about it I'm not saying that's the right thing here, BTW An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind |
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Post by borgr0 on Nov 23, 2024 6:24:24 GMT
I want whatever God wants “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36). Maybe all these wars are indeed meant to happen and this is what has to happen, in order to test us, it increasingly seems WWIII will break out I just read Western officials are considering sending Ukraine a nuclear bomb. That was in Western mainstream media, not Russia Today. I guess this is how it goes It's going how i predicted - ie not at all well Agreed.. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 23, 2024 6:33:12 GMT
I didn't say anyone took 'the first swing' - i keep saying that argumentation is pointless If you come at a the big guy in the bar he is going to fight - if you keep going at him, you will keep getting smashedFair enough, however, if you just stand there and let him stick a bottle in your face and rip your cheek out, many would argue it's going to happen anyway so might as well try to do something about it I'm not saying that's the right thing here, BTW By going at him continuously, you are saying "I want to settle this through war"..."That's fine by me", he replies If you are modelling Israel as an unmitigated bully, then dealing with this would be simple - simply demonstrate it by not attacking at all. You would lose nothing because you are militarily ineffective, yet stand to gain everything. The fact that this is the tactic OBVIOUSLY likely to serve one side's declared interests the best but they REFUSE to pursue it, shows that this side is not being honest about their interests |
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 23, 2024 6:44:19 GMT
While i accept the land in conflict is Jewish holy land . I dont accept that Zionist have a scripture right to the land. But its a land for the people Jewish faith not zionist atheist. Has for the Barbaric action of Hamas and other terrorists groups on oct 7th it was a result of poking a sleeping bear with a stick. Having said that the zionist have a right to seek and destroy Hamas . But not until the verge of genocide I Believe in a two state solution . I want whatever God wants “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household” (Matthew 10:34-36). Maybe all these wars are indeed meant to happen and this is what has to happen, in order to test us, it increasingly seems WWIII will break out I just read Western officials are considering sending Ukraine a nuclear bomb. That was in Western mainstream media, not Russia Today. I guess this is how it goes Yes there will be increased in floods and wars has signs of the end times and were in intresting time but i belief we're just in the birth pains and it will get much worst. |
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Post by borgr0 on Nov 23, 2024 6:58:36 GMT
By going at him continuously, you are saying "I want to settle this through war"..."That's fine by me", he replies Yeah, but if he's been taking your drinks and downing them all night, and has been itching for a fight the whole time - then what? Sure, but from their perspective it's less cowardly to lash out if you're going to get attacked anyway I'm not saying Israel is an unmitigated bully, I'm saying they truly believe the bible says they must take all of Israel - all of it, including Lebanon, Jordan and all of Gaza and the West Bank The answer is obviously peace, but whether that will happen or not is the question, maybe it isn't meant to |
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Post by Orac on Nov 23, 2024 7:05:42 GMT
The answer is obviously peace, but whether that will happen or not is the question, maybe it isn't meant to It is obviously the answer for the weaker side, if their interests are genuinely as declared. However, this is not what they do - instead they choose relentlessly to settle it through war. There is a gaping inconsistency between what they claim to be trying to achieve and what they are doing. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 23, 2024 7:45:02 GMT
Hamas took a swing at the hardest man in the pub, and now they're complaining about taking a drubbing. Well, boo hoo. They've both been fighting for centuries, who took the first swing? Does anyone even know anymore? Well the Jews ruled the area a 1000 years before Islam was even invented so Hamas are the newcomers... |
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Post by borgr0 on Nov 23, 2024 9:25:29 GMT
The answer is obviously peace, but whether that will happen or not is the question, maybe it isn't meant to It is obviously the answer for the weaker side, if their interests are genuinely as declared. However, this is not what they do - instead they choose relentlessly to settle it through war. There is a gaping inconsistency between what they claim to be trying to achieve and what they are doing. Are you saying the answer for the stronger side should always be war? |
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Post by borgr0 on Nov 23, 2024 9:26:32 GMT
They've both been fighting for centuries, who took the first swing? Does anyone even know anymore? Well the Jews ruled the area a 1000 years before Islam was even invented so Hamas are the newcomers... All three major religions claim the site as their own, that's why Jerusalem is shared. Obviously, part of me would like it to be ruled by Christians but I can't accept that any Jews, or Muslims, should be kicked out Maybe the answer is to share it between everyone given all 3 revere it |
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Post by Orac on Nov 23, 2024 9:29:00 GMT
It is obviously the answer for the weaker side, if their interests are genuinely as declared. However, this is not what they do - instead they choose relentlessly to settle it through war. There is a gaping inconsistency between what they claim to be trying to achieve and what they are doing. Are you saying the answer for the stronger side should always be war? No. I'm saying it is not in the interests of the weaker side. |
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