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Post by borgr0 on Nov 21, 2024 3:13:09 GMT
We should hope and pray for peace ..but don't declare war and expect peace Which leads to the inevitable question: who started the war first? It's like asking what came first - the chicken or the egg |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 21, 2024 10:46:21 GMT
True, but it works both ways I'm not sure there's an equivalence between 7th October and anything that the Israelis have done. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 21, 2024 10:53:52 GMT
..but don't declare war and expect peace Which leads to the inevitable question: who started the war first? It's like asking what came first - the chicken or the egg A fool's errand.. Either you are war with with someone or you are not - you don't get to be at war with someone and expect them not be at war with you. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 21, 2024 23:07:11 GMT
Definition of 'genocide' "the deliberate and systematic killing or persecution of a large number of people from a particular national or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group".Israel is at war, the enemy is in hiding in the tunnels in Gaza. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 21, 2024 23:44:01 GMT
..but don't declare war and expect peace Which leads to the inevitable question: who started the war first? It's like asking what came first - the chicken or the egg The Palestinian Arabs started the verbal conflict in 1858 when the Ottoman leader removed the chains of Dhimmitude from the Jews making the Palestinian Jews equal under the law to the Palestinian Arabs. Jews in following their legal rights to buying property and land in Palestine was met by increasing violence from the Arabs. In part because there was no recognised leaders or families in control of Palestine "The League of Nations entrusted Great Britain with the Mandate for Palestine in 1922". After two decades of strife and violence between the Palestinian Arabs and the Palestinian Jews / Israelis, the UN, in 1947 put forward a two state solution where both Arabs and Jews would have Jurisdiction (not complete ownership) over different areas of Palestine. The Palestinian Arabs, in 1947, stated that if the Jews set up the version of the UN suggestion they would destroy it, this was quickly backed up by the Arab League the and sure enough when Israel declared their independence four Arab armies along with Palestinian Arab fighters attempted to annihilate Israel. Invasions by Arab armies continued from 1948 to 1967 (three in all). Arab Terrorism against the Israelis continued, firstly by what became Hezbollah, later joined by Hamas. Both of whom have continued in their own way, the Arab war against the existence Israel. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 22, 2024 8:32:22 GMT
Which leads to the inevitable question: who started the war first? It's like asking what came first - the chicken or the egg A fool's errand.. Either you are war with with someone or you are not - you don't get to be at war with someone and expect them not be at war with you. Hamas took a swing at the hardest man in the pub, and now they're complaining about taking a drubbing. Well, boo hoo. |
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Post by Rebirth on Nov 22, 2024 11:41:41 GMT
A fool's errand.. Either you are war with with someone or you are not - you don't get to be at war with someone and expect them not be at war with you. Hamas took a swing at the hardest man in the pub, and now they're complaining about taking a drubbing. Well, boo hoo. Iran and the Left probably thought Israel would cower in the face of Hamas terrorists and that it would be another step toward wiping out the Jews. Since israel stood up for themselves we are now seeing the effects of Islamism in the west.
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Post by borgr0 on Nov 23, 2024 0:43:13 GMT
True, but it works both ways I'm not sure there's an equivalence between 7th October and anything that the Israelis have done. Anything the Israelis have ever done? Both sides engaged in ethnic cleansing and killing for a long time before October the 7th, it has been going on for centuries now Israeli settlers (I am not suggesting they either are or aren't justified in doing so) have been evicting and killing Palestinian families for a long time now, with support from the govt They feel it is justified as Jewish land is holy and theirs - all of it |
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Post by borgr0 on Nov 23, 2024 0:43:56 GMT
Which leads to the inevitable question: who started the war first? It's like asking what came first - the chicken or the egg A fool's errand.. Either you are war with with someone or you are not - you don't get to be at war with someone and expect them not be at war with you. Agreed. Nonetheless - “An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind” |
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Post by borgr0 on Nov 23, 2024 0:44:48 GMT
Definition of 'genocide' "the deliberate and systematic killing or persecution of a large number of people from a particular national or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group".Israel is at war, the enemy is in hiding in the tunnels in Gaza. They're talking about complete annexation of both Gaza and the West Bank They believe all the land is rightly theirs, as it describes in the Bible |
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Post by borgr0 on Nov 23, 2024 0:45:20 GMT
A fool's errand.. Either you are war with with someone or you are not - you don't get to be at war with someone and expect them not be at war with you. Hamas took a swing at the hardest man in the pub, and now they're complaining about taking a drubbing. Well, boo hoo. They've both been fighting for centuries, who took the first swing? Does anyone even know anymore? |
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Post by borgr0 on Nov 23, 2024 0:46:17 GMT
Which leads to the inevitable question: who started the war first? It's like asking what came first - the chicken or the egg The Palestinian Arabs started the verbal conflict in 1858 when the Ottoman leader removed the chains of Dhimmitude from the Jews making the Palestinian Jews equal under the law to the Palestinian Arabs. Jews in following their legal rights to buying property and land in Palestine was met by increasing violence from the Arabs. In part because there was no recognised leaders or families in control of Palestine "The League of Nations entrusted Great Britain with the Mandate for Palestine in 1922". After two decades of strife and violence between the Palestinian Arabs and the Palestinian Jews / Israelis, the UN, in 1947 put forward a two state solution where both Arabs and Jews would have Jurisdiction (not complete ownership) over different areas of Palestine. The Palestinian Arabs, in 1947, stated that if the Jews set up the version of the UN suggestion they would destroy it, this was quickly backed up by the Arab League the and sure enough when Israel declared their independence four Arab armies along with Palestinian Arab fighters attempted to annihilate Israel. Invasions by Arab armies continued from 1948 to 1967 (three in all). Arab Terrorism against the Israelis continued, firstly by what became Hezbollah, later joined by Hamas. Both of whom have continued in their own way, the Arab war against the existence Israel. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 23, 2024 1:10:04 GMT
Hamas took a swing at the hardest man in the pub, and now they're complaining about taking a drubbing. Well, boo hoo. They've both been fighting for centuries, who took the first swing? Does anyone even know anymore? As i said the first time, nobody knows (or agrees), so 'who started it' can't be used in an argument that has any power However, one side did 'take a swing' and that side is now complaining about repercussions. |
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 23, 2024 3:32:04 GMT
While i accept the land in conflict is Jewish holy land . I dont accept that Zionist have a scripture right to the land. But its a land for the people Jewish faith not zionist atheist.
Has for the Barbaric action of Hamas and other terrorists groups on oct 7th it was a result of poking a sleeping bear with a stick.
Having said that the zionist have a right to seek and destroy Hamas . But not until the verge of genocide
I Believe in a two state solution .
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Post by borgr0 on Nov 23, 2024 5:41:38 GMT
They've both been fighting for centuries, who took the first swing? Does anyone even know anymore? As i said the first time, nobody knows (or agrees), so 'who started it' can't be used in an argument that has any power However, one side did 'take a swing' and that side is now complaining about repercussions. And it can be argued that the other side took a 'swing' first, it all depends on if you think settling is justified The Israelis do, that land is theirs, it says so in the Bible BTW, that includes South Lebanon, Jordan (all of it) and much else, that's what "Israel" actually is in the Bible and more and more are openly coming out in support of that in Israel |
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