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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 10, 2022 3:20:10 GMT
Just a few facts first:
This is the place she has just bought. There are 50 pictures you can flick through.
Finally a quote from the dear lady:
"People who riot, steal, cover face deserve zero human rights"
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 10, 2022 5:18:06 GMT
Bent buggers hope the inquiry finds her guilty and she is prosecuted for frauld and her and sunak who signed the deal for the money to go over to
Medpro.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2022 9:26:14 GMT
The whole thing looks extremely shady, and this Mone character ought to be in prison for fraud. Though she needs a fair trial first just in case she has a viable defence and a set of good explanations. Haven't heard any so far though.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 10, 2022 11:44:12 GMT
The whole thing looks extremely shady, and this Mone character ought to be in prison for fraud. Though she needs a fair trial first just in case she has a viable defence and a set of good explanations. Haven't heard any so far though. What did she do that was fraudulent? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2022 11:52:33 GMT
The whole thing looks extremely shady, and this Mone character ought to be in prison for fraud. Though she needs a fair trial first just in case she has a viable defence and a set of good explanations. Haven't heard any so far though. What did she do that was fraudulent? You figure it out if you can get beyond your tribalist kneejerk need to defend any and all Tories in any situation. Setting up a secret offshore account to receive vast sums for herself and her adult children out of the proceeds of a deal she exploited her political position to obtain looks dodgy as hell. I say let a court of law decide if it is fraudulent. It is certainly corrupt even if legal. At the very least she should be removed from the Lords where she barely contributed anyway. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 10, 2022 11:56:59 GMT
What did she do that was fraudulent? You figure it out if you can get beyond your tribalist kneejerk need to defend any and all Tories in any situation. Setting up a secret offshore account to receive vast sums for herself and her adult children out of the proceeds of a deal she exploited her political position to obtain looks dodgy as hell. I say let a court of law decide if it is fraudulent. It is certainly corrupt even if legal. At the very least she should be removed from the Lords where she barely contributed anyway. Offshore accounts are not fraudulent (at least I hope so for my sake) - the contract for the PPE was awarded by the normal NHS procurement criteria, all that Mone did was push the company to the front of the queue - it was Civil servents who decided whether to award a contract or not. There is certainly an argument over whether the VIP Lane was sensible - but I still cannot see any fraudulent activity and neither it appears can you. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 10, 2022 12:15:11 GMT
You figure it out if you can get beyond your tribalist kneejerk need to defend any and all Tories in any situation. Setting up a secret offshore account to receive vast sums for herself and her adult children out of the proceeds of a deal she exploited her political position to obtain looks dodgy as hell. I say let a court of law decide if it is fraudulent. It is certainly corrupt even if legal. At the very least she should be removed from the Lords where she barely contributed anyway. Offshore accounts are not fraudulent (at least I hope so for my sake) - the contract for the PPE was awarded by the normal NHS procurement criteria, all that Mone did was push the company to the front of the queue - it was Civil servents who decided whether to award a contract or not. There is certainly an argument over whether the VIP Lane was sensible - but I still cannot see any fraudulent activity and neither it appears can you. I have no doubt you would be posting very different comments, including insinuations, if this was happening under a Labour or just about any non-Conservative government. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 10, 2022 15:22:52 GMT
The whole thing looks extremely shady, and this Mone character ought to be in prison for fraud. Though she needs a fair trial first just in case she has a viable defence and a set of good explanations. Haven't heard any so far though. By my estimation she has £4m in the bank in case she needs lawyers. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 10, 2022 18:00:52 GMT
Offshore accounts are not fraudulent (at least I hope so for my sake) - the contract for the PPE was awarded by the normal NHS procurement criteria, all that Mone did was push the company to the front of the queue - it was Civil servents who decided whether to award a contract or not. There is certainly an argument over whether the VIP Lane was sensible - but I still cannot see any fraudulent activity and neither it appears can you. I have no doubt you would be posting very different comments, including insinuations, if this was happening under a Labour or just about any non-Conservative government. So why don't you have a bash at pointing out the fraudulent activity? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 10, 2022 19:39:23 GMT
We are not told the details. It is sub judice at the moment as far as I know. This is why she has taken the time off to defend herself. I was just recalling a case of a firm who manufactured £40m i think it was of PPE masks. Their original function was a pizza box manufacturer but no takeaway during covid meant the owner's staff were facing layoff. The owner took the £40m contract at zero profit. All he wanted was the money to pay his staff so they would still have jobs. He got a lot of stick for it, but fair play if that were true. This looks like £29m protit for acting as an agent to place an order with China. The concern is how was she allowed to make £29m out of the taxpayer given their terrible financial hardship during the period. It is for the police to figure it out. They have the power, we do not.
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Post by see2 on Dec 11, 2022 10:04:53 GMT
I have no doubt you would be posting very different comments, including insinuations, if this was happening under a Labour or just about any non-Conservative government. So why don't you have a bash at pointing out the fraudulent activity? You mean I shouldn't point out just how biased your posts are. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 11, 2022 10:52:43 GMT
So why don't you have a bash at pointing out the fraudulent activity? You mean I shouldn't point out just how biased your posts are. Asking for evidence is now bias? - really?  |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 11, 2022 10:58:49 GMT
In todays Times there is a list of the people who made a mint out of providing PPE during the Covid debacle. Top of the list is a couple from Northamptonshire who got contracts valued at £2 Billion. They got these contracts because they could deliver - they took a punt when Covid first surfaced in China and bought up vast supplies of PPE in the hope that they would soon be needed.
Now was that fraud or corruption? - personally I cant see it. Yes the NHS paid way over the top for the supplies but the price was set by the worldwide frenzy forcing countries to grab whatever PPE they could.
What other alternatives were there?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 11, 2022 14:37:18 GMT
In todays Times there is a list of the people who made a mint out of providing PPE during the Covid debacle. Top of the list is a couple from Northamptonshire who got contracts valued at £2 Billion. They got these contracts because they could deliver - they took a punt when Covid first surfaced in China and bought up vast supplies of PPE in the hope that they would soon be needed. Now was that fraud or corruption? - personally I cant see it. Yes the NHS paid way over the top for the supplies but the price was set by the worldwide frenzy forcing countries to grab whatever PPE they could. What other alternatives were there? It sounds like fair business where you risk your own capital on a punt and the punt pays off. From what I hear, although I can't verify at this stage, there was a lot of PPE supplied that was unfit for use, and I think this may include Mone's supply. She was not risking her own capital because she did not have anything like the money. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 11, 2022 18:18:16 GMT
In todays Times there is a list of the people who made a mint out of providing PPE during the Covid debacle. Top of the list is a couple from Northamptonshire who got contracts valued at £2 Billion. They got these contracts because they could deliver - they took a punt when Covid first surfaced in China and bought up vast supplies of PPE in the hope that they would soon be needed. Now was that fraud or corruption? - personally I cant see it. Yes the NHS paid way over the top for the supplies but the price was set by the worldwide frenzy forcing countries to grab whatever PPE they could. What other alternatives were there? It sounds like fair business where you risk your own capital on a punt and the punt pays off. From what I hear, although I can't verify at this stage, there was a lot of PPE supplied that was unfit for use, and I think this may include Mone's supply. She was not risking her own capital because she did not have anything like the money. Yes that was the case - what puzzles me is why the NHS paid for these supplies without checking them. |
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