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Post by thomas on Nov 14, 2024 17:56:38 GMT
I find it hard to reconcile both sentences, it appears that you simply just post a reverse of what the poster before you has just said. you do have to scratch your head at times on the mental gymnastics see 2 comes out with on this forum. A hero worshipper of that cunt blair , a politician who built on Margaret thatchers policy and legacy , and who said thatcher has always been immensely kind to him. Ones an evil hard rightist , and the other all warm and cuddly.  |
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Post by honestjohn on Nov 14, 2024 19:52:40 GMT
Exactly. It is truly unfathomable how a decision can be made to free dangerous people like this, when they are still young enough to plot other acts of terror and carry them out. It is simply not possible to restrict communications between criminals of this nature when they are freed from prison. They are sly, dangerous characters who didn't even plead guilty in the face of the evidence. I fear that we will be seeing their names again. As Wapentake says, if they have a right to live in a foreign country, such as Pakistan, send them there, revoking any right to remain in the UK. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 14, 2024 22:03:06 GMT
I know what she did, you only have opinions about what she did that this country may or may not have benefitted from. I have never suggested that no one benefitted from the Thatcher years, but the differences between you and me is I can list some of the serious damage she did, and you can't. The one single thing I can give her full credit for is that she made 'Wildcat Strikes' illegal. A point marginally sidelined by the atrocious damage she did. I also recognise the failure of all governments that led to the mess of the 1970s. A mess that began in 1951 with the installation of a Conservative government that messed the UK economy up during their 13year tenure. a mess that was only eventually cured when North Sea oil came on 'full flow' around 1980. I eventually benefitted from her destruction of jobs when in the late 1980s I ended some 30 years in engineering (only ever having gone on strike for a one day token), and took my skills with me (as I'm sure thousands of others did) and I retrained into a profession position, trebling my pay in my first job as a professional. I also benefitted from good working conditions, perks and respect. So things got a lot better for me under Thatcher LOL. with some hiccups and some glaring errors. People knew by and large where they stood. Things improved for me as well under Thatcher in general terms but that may be just a result of becoming older and wiser and general climbing up the promotional ladder. We know not what public services would be like without Thatcher but the evidence of decline was there for all to see prior to her tenure. "stability" LOL, as the number of people without a job steadily increased to almost 4million. While the income to the government rose dramatically thanks to Natural Gas and North Sea oil. I don't doubt that many people felt some benefit from Thatcher's tenure, but increasingly millions of families were worse off, with a huge increase in the millions of children and their parents, living at UK poverty levels. We know, or at least some people know, that Thatcher severally damaged the NHS (and state education) even to the point of offering some financial incentives for people to go for private health. Yes, the UK was rescued from decline thanks to Natural Gas and North Sea Oil, both of which Thatcher had sold off by 1990. Her corner shop ideology proved to be extremely damaging in the end. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 14, 2024 22:34:41 GMT
I find it hard to reconcile both sentences, it appears that you simply 00 just post a reverse of what the poster before you has just said. Because of Thatcher's destruction of so many jobs I had been put into a position of having to drive 300+ miles a week just to earn a living. So late in the 1980s I decided to leave engineering altogether. While the direction I moved into made a big financial improvement for me, it meant that I was no longer a productive worker making profits for someone else. I was fortunately capable of moving on despite Thatcher's callousness, I don't how many people in a similar position to myself faired. I don't doubt some were better off, some worse off, some having their families split up because of financial difficulties, some may have turned to the so called Black Market, some to various other crimes, some became Shelf Stackers of filled in MacJobs. My personal improvement was down to me not to any improved working conditions under Thatcher. Which is why I followed my comment with LOL |
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Post by see2 on Nov 14, 2024 22:47:13 GMT
I find it hard to reconcile both sentences, it appears that you simply just post a reverse of what the poster before you has just said. you do have to scratch your head at times on the mental gymnastics see 2 comes out with on this forum. A hero worshipper of that cunt blair , a politician who built on Margaret thatchers policy and legacy , and who said thatcher has always been immensely kind to him. Ones an evil hard rightist , and the other all warm and cuddly. Blair reversed some of major damage done by Thatcher. She did have time for him on the back of him scrapping Clause 4. Sad to say but the connection between Blair and Thatcher was IMO partly down to Blair's political move to gain favour with some of Thatcher's followers. If you find yourself scratching your head over comments posted by me, you are just demonstrating how far away from reality your thoughts are. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 15, 2024 7:57:17 GMT
you do have to scratch your head at times on the mental gymnastics see 2 comes out with on this forum. A hero worshipper of that cunt blair , a politician who built on Margaret thatchers policy and legacy , and who said thatcher has always been immensely kind to him. Ones an evil hard rightist , and the other all warm and cuddly. Blair reversed some of major damage done by Thatcher. examples please? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 15, 2024 7:57:57 GMT
I find it hard to reconcile both sentences, it appears that you simply just post a reverse of what the poster before you has just said. That's because you fail to understand that people's lives can get better or worse due to factors outside government control. I'm better off now than I was last Christmas, which government shall I thank? |
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Post by thomas on Nov 15, 2024 8:17:15 GMT
I find it hard to reconcile both sentences, it appears that you simply just post a reverse of what the poster before you has just said. That's because you fail to understand that people's lives can get better or worse due to factors outside government control. I'm better off now than I was last Christmas, which government shall I thank? do you mind if I ask Andrew in what way are you better off now than last xmas? Im personally in financial and job terms pretty similar , literally no change. My worry isnt now , its what coming down the line , I expect things to worsen next year . |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 15, 2024 8:20:33 GMT
That's because you fail to understand that people's lives can get better or worse due to factors outside government control. I'm better off now than I was last Christmas, which government shall I thank? do you mind if I ask Andrew in what way are you better off now than last xmas? Im personally in financial and job terms pretty similar , literally no change. My worry isnt now , its what coming down the line , I expect things to worsen next year . We've had a wage freeze at work, my gas and electric is down from last year but the change is I've finished paying my mortgage. Like I say nothing to do with the government. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 15, 2024 8:25:56 GMT
do you mind if I ask Andrew in what way are you better off now than last xmas? Im personally in financial and job terms pretty similar , literally no change. My worry isnt now , its what coming down the line , I expect things to worsen next year . We've had a wage freeze at work, my gas and electric is down from last year but the change is I've finished paying my mortgage. Like I say nothing to do with the government. Sorry , how can your gas and electric be down when everyone has just had a uk wide 10% increase? (edit to add , despite labour's promise to lower energy bills) at the moment , I agree. Labour have been in power 4 months. We've only just had their disastrous budget , for example the new ENIC dont kick in till April , along with the min wage price rise. It's early days yet Andrew , and guido this morning is reporting the ONS are saying the slight growth we had is contracting . |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 15, 2024 8:27:40 GMT
do you mind if I ask Andrew in what way are you better off now than last xmas? Im personally in financial and job terms pretty similar , literally no change. My worry isnt now , its what coming down the line , I expect things to worsen next year . We've had a wage freeze at work, my gas and electric is down from last year but the change is I've finished paying my mortgage. Like I say nothing to do with the government. Yours is the only ones that have andrea.. |
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Post by om15 on Nov 15, 2024 8:33:27 GMT
Not at all, had see2 said that he prospered in the nineteen eighties I would have taken that at face value, however he specifically included a reference to Mrs Thatcher implying that she influenced that happy event.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 15, 2024 8:37:42 GMT
Sorry , how can your gas and electric be down when everyone has just had a uk wide 10% increase? Mine is too. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 15, 2024 8:39:17 GMT
other lie from andrea.. Sorry , how can your gas and electric be down when everyone has just had a uk wide 10% increase? Mine is too. Another lie from andrea... |
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Post by thomas on Nov 15, 2024 8:44:17 GMT
Sorry , how can your gas and electric be down when everyone has just had a uk wide 10% increase? Mine is too. My gas and electric in terms of monthly price has stayed the same. This isnt because i havent had a price increase , we all have , despite labours empty promise to lower bills. It's because my existing supplier wanted to put our D/D up £50 a month , which would have meant us paying £250 a month. I was £450 approx in credit after my previous bill. My energy usage was slightly down this year compared to last year. (you can compare on your account) So I changed suppliers , got a deal where my monthly D/D stayed the same . In real terms , since 2021 , my energy costs have trebled , then went back down to double what they were. There's no sign of a let up under this mob . Remember labour promised to lower everyone's energy bills. That hasn't happened , and doesn't look like happening anytime soon . |
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