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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 10, 2022 13:20:23 GMT
There is a Scottish Government. It is not an Assembly. And yet whatever it calls itself it still doesn't have the full functions of a government. You were wrong. You should apologise to Jaydee. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 10, 2022 13:21:50 GMT
Nope and nope.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 10, 2022 13:23:52 GMT
Well if we’re going there what the fuck happenned to the one when we joined the fucking EEC?
All I remember was one held years later that Wilson couched in terms “we’re in now, it’s too much of a faff to come out”
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Post by Steve on Dec 10, 2022 13:28:27 GMT
Well if we’re going there what the fuck happenned to the one when we joined the fucking EEC? All I remember was one held years later that Wilson couched in terms “we’re in now, it’s too much of a faff to come out” The electorate (in the 1970 election) gave Heath full authority to join the EEC if he so chose on terms he saw fit. Democracy does have its deficiencies. So in 1975 Wilson renegotiated those terms and put the outcome to a referendum. And that referendum was held legally and gave massive backing to staying in on those revised terms. You may remember that Thatcher didn't have a referendum either when she further renegotiated the terms |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 10, 2022 13:33:28 GMT
Oh wait a minute, we weren't allowed one were we. I think this is what remainiacs call democracy lol. Do they. I bet you can't find a single remainiac claiming we should not have had a referendum on joining the EU. Not one, nada, nil, nought. |
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Post by jaydee on Dec 10, 2022 13:54:13 GMT
Ah Nigel. The one line wonder. Speaking of buffoons. The Scottish Government in terms of the UK cannot borrow. So how can it create something it cannot do. And which part Better therefore to be blunt and clear, that the full £1.4tn would stay as a liability of England, Wales and Northern Ireland - and that there would be no legal requirement on Scottish people to pay any of it.. That debt is now £2.8 trillion. By the UK treasury. Speaking of buffoons why bankrupt England lost its triple AAA. Because cannot be trusted. Translates to you. It is the responsibility of the Scots. Is it because it sounds goo in the land of the fascists. Speaking again of buffoons. Worked out your right from you left yet. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25712350
There is no Scottish government only the UK government. Scotland has a regional assembly, not a government, because Scotland is not an independent country, it is part of the UK.
As such it shares the UK's debts. This is not a difficult concept to grasp and even an ignoramus like you should be able to manage it.
Ah Nigel. The one line wonder. That is what I am talking about. When Scotland goes it s merry way. And it is a Scottish Parliament. But totally wasted on your havering slastering drivel. Which part of. B etter therefore to be blunt and clear, that the full £1.4tn would stay as a liability of England, Wales and Northern Ireland - and that there would be no legal requirement on Scottish people to pay any of it.. That debt is now £2.8 trillion. Translates to you .The Scottish people will have to pay. And I am well aware the Scots have to pay the English debt as part of the UK. Speaking of buffoons you answered it yourself. As you suddenly came into hug a Jock mode. Scotland will not be part of the UK. By the was as you rant more drivel. Speaking of buffoons. Of that £2.8 trillion debt. Could you point to one penny of it being spent in Scotland. Lets go back to 2010 and move forward year by year. When the Westminster fascists had a PSBR of some £140 billion. Could you point to where the £1.4 billion of that came to Scotland to be spent in Scotland. After all the Jocks had to pay it back. Now since the SNP came to power they have underspent every year. And this year they underspent by £2 billion. To assist the Scots who will be worse of from the savage cuts of the fascist wankers in Westminster. Lining their own pockets. Now speaking of buffoons. Would you care to correct any of that. Then point to this £1.4 billion that should have went to Scotland. By the way. You did note the fascist wankers have doubled the debt since 2014. As they try to blame it on covid and Putin. I bet you swallow that fanny, hook, line and sinker. www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23164424.scottish-government-records-2bn-budget-underspend/www.gov.scot/publications/foi-19-02227/ |
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Post by jaydee on Dec 10, 2022 14:31:02 GMT
And yet whatever it calls itself it still doesn't have the full functions of a government. You were wrong. You should apologise to Jaydee. He is about as clueless on Scottish politics as OM15. Then rants one line wonders. The contents of which are just utter clueless tripe. Now just watch as he is screwed for a answer on his bollocks. As he rnats another one line wonder. Totally divorced from the question asked. |
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Post by jaydee on Dec 10, 2022 14:38:08 GMT
There is a Scottish Government. It is not an Assembly. And yet whatever it calls itself it still doesn't have the full functions of a government. Ah Nigel the one line wonder. That is indeed correct. And the problem. With the fiscal problem of having to subsidice the likes of you. With England and a unelected PM its called fascism. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 10, 2022 14:53:01 GMT
I do apologise everyone - I appear to have woken up Jaydee.  |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 10, 2022 14:54:36 GMT
I do apologise everyone - I appear to have woken up Jaydee. He never sleeps.  |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 10, 2022 14:57:51 GMT
Well if we’re going there what the fuck happenned to the one when we joined the fucking EEC? All I remember was one held years later that Wilson couched in terms “we’re in now, it’s too much of a faff to come out” The electorate (in the 1970 election) gave Heath full authority to join the EEC if he so chose on terms he saw fit. Democracy does have its deficiencies. So in 1975 Wilson renegotiated those terms and put the outcome to a referendum. And that referendum was held legally and gave massive backing to staying in on those revised terms. You may remember that Thatcher didn't have a referendum either when she further renegotiated the terms Not quite because Heath gave conditions to that full authority in 1970 which included full hearted consent of the people and parliament and more importantly that MPs would be able to go back to their constituents, consider their views on membership and vote accordingly. In the end he organised a three line whip, threatened sackings and the end to careers and allowed collusion with pro EEC Labour MPs (who had gained their seats on a much stronger negotiating position on the EEC). The final result was membership was pushed through by eight votes. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2022 14:58:25 GMT
Like a worn record ^ You had a General Election instead and parties opposed to us ratifying Maastricht (and the EEC to EU change) got bugger all votes Biggest electoral exercise in the UK ever and it didn't go your way. Stop moaning about it. Very interesting, anyhoo, back to thread. Were we allowed a referendum on the UK joining the EU? It's not a complicated question although, and for obvious reasons, some people will want to make it so. Don't forget, we only had a referendum on leaving because Cameron wanted the Brexit party votes and ended up burning his fingers and resigned when he lost. Typical Tory scum. |
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Post by om15 on Dec 10, 2022 15:02:55 GMT
Don't drag me into it.
Hower Mr Middle is correct in this case. the pretendy pigmy parliament is not a Government, despite hosing English money on world wide embassies and adopting the airs and graces of Idi Amin, it is really only there to fix potholes, educate the children and get the bins emptied, all of which it is spectacularly failing to do.
As an aside it looks like there is a coup brewing against Sturgeon, once she is out of power then certain documents of which she has no recollection may surface, we'll have some fun then, it will make the activities of fellow Scot Ms Mone pale into insignificance.
What about covid relief, furlough payments, vaccine costs, and you call me an imbecile, wake up and look about you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2022 15:05:50 GMT
Very interesting, anyhoo, back to thread. Were we allowed a referendum on the UK joining the EU? It's not a complicated question although, and for obvious reasons, some people will want to make it so. Don't forget, we only had a referendum on leaving because Cameron wanted the Brexit party votes and ended up burning his fingers and resigned when he lost. Typical Tory scum. Labour signed the Lisbon Treaty without even asking. This was soon after Brown's party dragged us into war, flooded the country with mass-immigration and sat back whilst Jihadi terrorists blew up parts of England.
Sure, the Tories are pretty shit, but Labour are worse.
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 10, 2022 16:07:06 GMT
I do apologise everyone - I appear to have woken up Jaydee. Release the Kraken lol |
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