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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 9, 2022 20:56:50 GMT
Oh wait a minute, we weren't allowed one were we. I think this is what remainiacs call democracy lol.
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Post by Steve on Dec 9, 2022 21:16:28 GMT
Oh wait a minute, we weren't allowed one were we. I think this is what remainiacs call democracy lol. Like a worn record ^ You had a General Election instead and parties opposed to us ratifying Maastricht (and the EEC to EU change) got bugger all votes Biggest electoral exercise in the UK ever and it didn't go your way. Stop moaning about it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 9, 2022 21:20:37 GMT
Oh wait a minute, we weren't allowed one were we. I think this is what remainiacs call democracy lol. Like a worn record ^ You had a General Election instead and parties opposed to us ratifying Maastricht (and the EEC to EU change) got bugger all votes Biggest electoral exercise in the UK ever and it didn't go your way. Stop moaning about it. Very interesting, anyhoo, back to thread. Were we allowed a referendum on the UK joining the EU? It's not a complicated question although, and for obvious reasons, some people will want to make it so. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 9, 2022 21:22:51 GMT
There was no reason to have one. Only loonies have referendums when the result is obvious
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Post by sandypine on Dec 9, 2022 21:26:29 GMT
There was no reason to have one. Only loonies have referendums when the result is obvious Or only loonies have referendums when they know they will lose. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 9, 2022 21:33:39 GMT
There was no reason to have one. Only loonies have referendums when the result is obvious Or only loonies have referendums when they know they will lose. The 1992 General Election made it clear that the electorate overwhelmingly supported parties committed to Maastricht. So only a loonie would have then wasted £millions on a referendum ahead of our 1993 ratification |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 9, 2022 21:37:14 GMT
Or only loonies have referendums when they know they will lose. The 1992 General Election made it clear that the electorate overwhelmingly supported parties committed to Maastricht. So only a loonie would have then wasted £millions on a referendum ahead of our 1993 ratification We are now back to whether a manifesto is a mandate to carry out certain actions and since ratification was not mentioned in the Tory manifesto they had no mandate to ratify it |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 9, 2022 22:14:47 GMT
Obviously in 1992 we were not allowed a referendum. The argument that the General Election was a substitute for a referendum because the Party that won was in favour of EU membership falls flat at the first hurdle because all the major Parties in 2016 were in favour of EU membership - yet when the electorate were allowed a say they didn't agree.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 9, 2022 22:24:44 GMT
Or only loonies have referendums when they know they will lose. The 1992 General Election made it clear that the electorate overwhelmingly supported parties committed to Maastricht. So only a loonie would have then wasted £millions on a referendum ahead of our 1993 ratification As Pacifico has pointed out, in 1992 you couldn't vote for a party that was not in favour of the EU. The reason Major refused to allow a referendum is obvious even to you, although I accept, you will never admit it. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 10, 2022 0:19:54 GMT
The 1992 General Election made it clear that the electorate overwhelmingly supported parties committed to Maastricht. So only a loonie would have then wasted £millions on a referendum ahead of our 1993 ratification We are now back to whether a manifesto is a mandate to carry out certain actions and since ratification was not mentioned in the Tory manifesto they had no mandate to ratify it You'd have to have been either blind or stupid (or both) not to see that manifesto as extolling the to be ratified Maastricht treaty |
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Post by Steve on Dec 10, 2022 0:22:06 GMT
The 1992 General Election made it clear that the electorate overwhelmingly supported parties committed to Maastricht. So only a loonie would have then wasted £millions on a referendum ahead of our 1993 ratification As Pacifico has pointed out, in 1992 you couldn't vote for a party that was not in favour of the EU. The reason Major refused to allow a referendum is obvious even to you, although I accept, you will never admit it. Yes you could vote for a party against it, the BNP for example. But very very few people did because in 1992 people voted on the issues they saw at the time. Some of them of course some years later lie their arses off pretending they weren't given a chance to vote to oppose Maastricht. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2022 0:43:03 GMT
As Pacifico has pointed out, in 1992 you couldn't vote for a party that was not in favour of the EU. The reason Major refused to allow a referendum is obvious even to you, although I accept, you will never admit it. Yes you could vote for a party against it, the BNP for example. But very very few people did because in 1992 people voted on the issues they saw at the time. Some of them of course some years later lie their arses off pretending they weren't given a chance to vote to oppose Maastricht. Oh ffs grow up. Are you seriously suggesting the BNP were a viable alternative to Majors government? |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 10, 2022 8:43:07 GMT
Whether anyone wants it to be the case or not the reality of the first past the post system is that only the Tories and Labour get enough votes and seats to win a general election.
When they are in consensus but out of touch with the public, there are few effective ways of opposing what they want. A general election is not going to address this.
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Post by Steve on Dec 10, 2022 10:27:22 GMT
Yes you could vote for a party against it, the BNP for example. But very very few people did because in 1992 people voted on the issues they saw at the time. Some of them of course some years later lie their arses off pretending they weren't given a chance to vote to oppose Maastricht. Oh ffs grow up. Are you seriously suggesting the BNP were a viable alternative to Majors government? Look just join up the dots Red. If people had voted for the anti Maasticht parties in any numbers then there would have been a referendum. But they didn't and therefore there wasn't. Because there was no opposition to it of any serious level. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 10, 2022 10:49:46 GMT
Oh ffs grow up. Are you seriously suggesting the BNP were a viable alternative to Majors government? Look just join up the dots Red. If people had voted for the anti Maasticht parties in any numbers then there would have been a referendum. But they didn't and therefore there wasn't. Because there was no opposition to it of any serious level.Maybe millions didn't have a clue what it entailed or couldn't give a shit. |
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