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Post by sandypine on Dec 9, 2022 23:17:07 GMT
How many lies from 1970 onwards do you want. Rippon lied to parliament, Heath lied in terms of 'full hearted consent of the people and parliament', and the 70 manifesto Our sole commitment is to negotiate; no more, no less. As the negotiations proceed we will report regularly through Parliament to the country. "A Conservative Government would not be prepared to recommend to Parliament, nor would Members of Parliament approve, a settlement which was unequal or unfair. In making this judgement, Ministers and Members will listen to the views of their constituents and have in mind, as is natural and legitimate, primarily the effect of entry upon the standard of living of the individual citizens whom they represent." It is interesting the same manifesto said "We will promote the prosperity of the fishing industry, and will ensure that the home fishing industry is enabled to compete effectively in British markets without unfair competition from dumped imports." Sandy, could you copy and paste this to the new thread I've started about the 1975 referendum. This thread is a response to claims that 2016 was the 'will of the people'. The 2016 result was not democratic, as held by the High Court. This thread is concerned only with 2016. Do you have a defence to that claim? I disagree you made this thread about "The will of the people is meaningless if the people were victims of corrupt practices or lied to." |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 9, 2022 23:18:29 GMT
Sandy, could you copy and paste this to the new thread I've started about the 1975 referendum. This thread is a response to claims that 2016 was the 'will of the people'. The 2016 result was not democratic, as held by the High Court. This thread is concerned only with 2016. Do you have a defence to that claim? I disagree you made this thread about "The will of the people is meaningless if the people were victims of corrupt practices or lied to." I don't mind that you disagree. I rather expected it. Just keep the 2016 and 1975 referendums separate. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 9, 2022 23:24:33 GMT
I disagree you made this thread about "The will of the people is meaningless if the people were victims of corrupt practices or lied to." I don't mind that you disagree. I rather expected it. Just keep the 2016 and 1975 referendums separate. Why they are linked by deceit. It is just that the deception of the anti EU lobby won the day in 2016 and that is what sticks in the craw. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 9, 2022 23:25:49 GMT
I don't mind that you disagree. I rather expected it. Just keep the 2016 and 1975 referendums separate. Why they are linked by deceit. It is just that the deception of the anti EU lobby won the day in 2016 and that is what sticks in the craw. What 'sticks in the craw' was that the 2016 wasn't the will of the people. That was pointed out by the High Court. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 9, 2022 23:35:37 GMT
Why they are linked by deceit. It is just that the deception of the anti EU lobby won the day in 2016 and that is what sticks in the craw. What 'sticks in the craw' was that the 2016 wasn't the will of the people. That was pointed out by the High Court. Well imagine how the craws of those msut feel as teh lies and deception come to light over a period of years. Remember Heath said that MPs would go back to their constituents and consider their views and how membership would affect them then introduced a three line whip and threatened sackings and career endings to get his way. Not to mention the collusion between the Europhiles in parliament. All of this is well documented now but then... |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 9, 2022 23:38:35 GMT
What 'sticks in the craw' was that the 2016 wasn't the will of the people. That was pointed out by the High Court. Well imagine how the craws of those msut feel as teh lies and deception come to light over a period of years. Remember Heath said that MPs would go back to their constituents and consider their views and how membership would affect them then introduced a three line whip and threatened sackings and career endings to get his way. Not to mention the collusion between the Europhiles in parliament. All of this is well documented now but then... I see you're still talking about Heath. We're talking about the will of the people in 2016, not 1975. The High Court held that the 2016 referendum result was not a reflection of their will. That's the topic of discussion in this thread. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 10, 2022 0:24:34 GMT
No because the issue she refers to is the record breaking illegal expenditure by Leave. Neither referendum had legal constraints on lying - not that you can find any lies in the 1975 campaign. You can find lots of lies from people alleging lies in that campaign. Note that that link precedes the 2019 General Election No she says OR lied to not AND lied to. She is referring to her common law consideration of democracy which rests as far as I understand it on moral principles. Look the legal case was fought on the issue of the record breaking illegal spending. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 10, 2022 0:27:53 GMT
Yes we are - as I've said over and over. The 2019 General Election is the definitive electoral OK for us to leave. I thought more people voted for pro-EU parties in 2019. And even if they didn't, the 2016 still wasn't democratic according to the common law definition. To be accurate, more people voted in 2019 for 'think again' parties But crucially most people in 2011 voted for the First Past the Post electoral system and it was that that gave that democratic mandate for Brexit. Focus on punishing the guilty. Get fraudulent accounts Gove and misconduct in public office Electoral Commission officials in jail. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 10, 2022 0:40:14 GMT
I thought more people voted for pro-EU parties in 2019. And even if they didn't, the 2016 still wasn't democratic according to the common law definition. To be accurate, more people voted in 2019 for 'think again' parties But crucially most people in 2011 voted for the First Past the Post electoral system and it was that that gave that democratic mandate for Brexit. Focus on punishing the guilty. Get fraudulent accounts Gove and misconduct in public office Electoral Commission officials in jail. I'm just bored with all the crap about 2016 being the will of the people. It wasn't. Pointing that out is the sole ambition of this thread. It's not about realism or anything else. Just boredom with the same repeated piece of bullshit. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2022 0:56:25 GMT
Oh boy, just listening to the remainiac girls bitching about the referendum is a joy. I hope they never stop, it's brilliant lol.  |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 10, 2022 1:16:52 GMT
Oh boy, just listening to the remainiac girls bitching about the referendum is a joy. I hope they never stop, it's brilliant lol. Nice meme, Red. I think it was exhibit A for the Brexiters in the High Court case in which it was decided that the 2016 referendum was undemocratic and would have been struck down were it not for the fact it was advisory. Feel free to present any arguments your side's legal team might have forgotten to lay before the court. Failing that, another meme would be nice (let's be honest with ourselves, it's going to be another meme, so make it a good one). |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2022 1:34:44 GMT
Nice meme, Red. I think it was exhibit A for the Brexiters in the High Court case in which it was decided that the 2016 referendum was undemocratic and would have been struck down were it not for the fact it was advisory. Feel free to present any arguments your side's legal team might have forgotten to lay before the court. Failing that, another meme would be nice. Thank you. Einy, I don't have to present anything to the court. I have no case to answer. As far as the 2016 referendum is concerned, I won, the majority won. It's called democracy. I know that's not popular in EU circles, and in the event of a leave vote you expected another referendum as is the trend in EU states. And I confess, thanks to Starmer I thought it was a real possibility at one point. However, after about four years of remainiac bitching, we did eventually legally leave the EU.  |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 10, 2022 1:41:50 GMT
Nice meme, Red. I think it was exhibit A for the Brexiters in the High Court case in which it was decided that the 2016 referendum was undemocratic and would have been struck down were it not for the fact it was advisory. Feel free to present any arguments your side's legal team might have forgotten to lay before the court. Failing that, another meme would be nice. Thank you. Einy, I don't have to present anything to the court. I have no case to answer. As far as the 2016 referendum is concerned, I won, the majority won. It's called democracy. I know that's not popular in EU circles, and in the event of a leave vote you expected another referendum as is the trend in EU states. And I confess, thanks to Starmer I thought it was a real possibility at one point. However, after about four years of remainiac bitching, we did eventually legally leave the EU. Righto. We'll pretend the High Court didn't find that the 2016 referendum wasn't a reflection of the will of the people. Anyway, how could you be wrong when all the memes say you're right? The Johnson government refused to publish the results of the inquiry into Russian interference. I wonder why. Starmer is going to need a very strong will indeed if he's going to resist the pressure from the backbenches once the findings are made public, especially if there's a Labour/Lib Dem coalition. Time to start seriously considering a vote for Labour, Red. That way, there's at least a chance there won't be a coalition with the Lib Dems ... and you definitely don't want that. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2022 1:47:24 GMT
Einy, you're crying over spilt milk. On 31 Jan 2020 the UK formally and legally ceased to be an EU state.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2022 1:49:55 GMT
Einy, how old are you? Please feel free to ignore, but I sense I've asked you before, early 30's?
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