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Post by Rebirth on Nov 4, 2024 9:45:34 GMT
Hmm, should we be worried about far-right terrorism?   Only if you support Islamic terrorism and the IRA, and want to deflect attention toward the phantom far-right, which is what the OP is doing. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 4, 2024 9:54:01 GMT
Yes but who are the far right, what makes them far right, how does one know who they are and what makes them extremist? One can create a bogey man but if it is a rather nebulous and ethereal entity how do we know what it is and what to do about it. It has the ring of others who warn that the far right are on the rise but cannot define what makes them far right and in a circular fashion say it is because others say so. Are there policies we should look out for. Groups like National Action a proscribe Far right Group National Action fall into your neo Nazi group. I was asking who the far right are and what is it that makes them far right.? What policies do they advocate that are far right? It is a description used often enough so someone must know what defines far right? |
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Post by honestjohn on Nov 4, 2024 9:56:40 GMT
This is more gaslighting from the left who have such difficulty with seeing the truth, even when it is plain as day.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 4, 2024 10:07:49 GMT
It's just like your claim about gun deaths. what that they account for 5% of homicides in England and wales You stated used in suicides doofus... But we are all used to blatant lies and avoidance when you're bullshit is called out... |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 4, 2024 10:18:35 GMT
I have. Ages ago. In the Welsh News thread. Remarking on the fact the Corbyn Arse Kissing first minister now twice removed found Welsh terrorism in support of the language 'quite exciting' But that isn't what I came to this thread to talk about I came to this thread to talk about the fact that the only terrorists I have had a real world threat from were either LEFT wing or Religious Nutters. NO 'right wing' person has threatened me. They may exist, but none are a threat to me, in my home, in my town, today. And I don't really give a flying one about some other people in some other country. Worrying about the shit THEY might possibly be in is how Yiu get a forty billion black hole. Time to plug the hole and let them sort their own shit out. john dont really think you have a place to talk about terrorism if its right about you whats posted on here you supporting bervix goodbye Oh dear lefty, have I hit a raw nerve ? Just because I've reminded you that ulteamarxist plaid blow up reservoirs, and set fire to cottages, and hunt saboteurs nailbomb and firebomb, and animal rights protestors nailbomb and firebomb, and Saddam's pals and the ayatollah followers bomb at will, as do the Irish, and NOT ONE of those strut round in Hugo Boss making heil Hitler salutes. Because that is the truth. I've had people trying to firebomb me, and nailbomb my boss. I've seen all sorts and none of it right wing. And you think I should be no platformed FUCK OFF |
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Post by wapentake on Nov 4, 2024 10:26:48 GMT
Blimey TTL two threads? You been watching too many films?
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Post by Orac on Nov 4, 2024 10:29:11 GMT
When you say 'far right' I have no idea what might being going on in your head. Are you talking about politically violent people or people with certain beliefs? What beliefs? The trouble you will have is that either you will either cast most of the UK public as far right, or you will describe a group that is so small it is of no consequence. it is a group that small but has consequences more i will post about. Really? I'd be intrigued to see your list I do recall the media attempting to describe a seventeen your old defending himself against a convicted pedophile as a right wing terrorist attack..that was odd |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 4, 2024 10:55:01 GMT
i will be looking at the real threat of far right terrorism in this country over a period of 5yrs 2019-2024 and the disturbing effect it has on our youth . According to MI5 Islamist terrorism is by far the most significant terrorist threat to the UK. Obviously this minority appeasing government try to play it down while insisting that anyone, particularly if they're white and English, who says anything slightly controversial is a far right extremist. In reality, any serious threat from the so called far right in this country is an absolute myth, it's nothing more than left wing invention designed to take the spotlight of the fact that Islamic terrorism is not only a major threat in the UK, but globally. List of Islamic terrorist attacks - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacksYou may notice that attacks by deranged Muslims, in the non Islamic UK, feature quite heavily. |
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Post by ginnyg2 on Nov 4, 2024 11:08:54 GMT
The imaginary threat of Far Right terrorism or indeed activism has to be kept alive as it provides a lucrative income stream for people like Nick Lowles of Hope Not Hate fame, who has made a career out of it.
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 4, 2024 15:56:01 GMT
Groups like National Action a proscribe Far right Group National Action fall into your neo Nazi group. I was asking who the far right are and what is it that makes them far right.? What policies do they advocate that are far right? It is a description used often enough so someone must know what defines far right? Britain first |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 4, 2024 16:01:05 GMT
How many bomb, gun, or knife attacks have been committed by Britain First?  Perspective. |
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 4, 2024 16:29:51 GMT
How many bomb, gun, or knife attacks have been committed by Britain First? Perspective. perspective you do realizes you dont have to commit terrorist attacks to be a terrorist how many attacks did charudry do lol more whataboutry from you |
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 4, 2024 16:34:26 GMT
A man who operated two websites that spread far-right propaganda and encouraged terrorism has been jailed.
Colin McNeil, 46, ran the online sites which featured racist documents, images and videos glorifying Hitler, the Nazis and prominent Neo-Nazis.
The websites also honoured men who committed racist mass killings, including Brenton Tarrant, who murdered 51 people in and around two mosques in Christchurch New Zealand in 2019.
McNeil, from Leeds, did not create the material but provided a platform for it to reach its audience, which included people who were inclined towards terrorism.
One of the people who took inspiration from the material on the websites was 18-year-old Payton Gendron, who went on to murder 10 people in a mass shooting at a grocery shop in Buffalo, USA, in 2022. Prosecution evidence was able to show his engagement with the websites through likes and comments on racist material hosted on them.
McNeil benefited financially from the websites, receiving donations from users, and also used the sites to express his own racist views.
Onne of the sites, which operated like a typical social media platform, had 5,716 members, with 255,960 photos and 6,499 videos uploaded.
The other site, set up for videos, hosted 12,345 members and contained 79,284 videos. This site also had an option to upgrade to a “pro” member for $50, which would allow the user to post ad-free videos, sell videos, and to livestream.
McNeil pleaded guilty to four offences of disseminating a terrorist publication at Sheffield Crown Court on April 11, 2024.
At the same court today, he was sentenced to seven years' imprisonment.
The prosecution followed an investigation by Counter Terrorism Police North East.
Bethan David, Head of the CPS Counter Terrorism Division, said: “Colin McNeil allowed his websites to operate as propaganda platforms for far-right terrorist material.
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 4, 2024 16:40:33 GMT
This submission is from the Community Security Trust (CST), a Jewish charity that advises and supports the UK Jewish community in matters of antisemitism, extremism and terrorism, and is recognised by Government and Police as a best practice model of a minority-community security organisation.
This is a supplementary submission to the Home Affairs Select Committee (HASC) Inquiry into hate crime and its violent consequences, following a specific request from the committee to provide CST’s insight into the current state of the far right in the UK.
CST’s original submission, from August 2016, can be viewed as a link from the Inquiry’s web page here.
The far right in the UK is not a uniform movement and consists of various strands. They range from hardline pro-Nazi, antisemitic groups, to more active mainly anti-Muslim street movement groups and small, political groupings. Currently, the key threat posed to the UK Jewish community, and other minority communities is a rise in the use of terrorism as a tactic by some in the UK far right.
Far Right Terrorism
In recent years there have been two successful far right terrorist attacks in the UK. In June 2016, far right extremist Thomas Mair shot and stabbed to death Labour MP Jo Cox. In June 2017, Darren Osborne, who was influenced by online far right and anti-Muslim rhetoric, deliberately drove into a group of Muslim worshippers congregating in the street near Finsbury Park mosque in North London, killing one man and injuring twelve others.
In addition four other far right terrorist plots were foiled in 2017[1]. So far in 2018, a number of individuals motivated by far right ideology have been jailed for plotting terrorist attacks using explosives and bomb-making equipment[2][3][4].
Several trends have emerged from recent far right terrorist attacks and plots:
7.1 The mirroring of terrorist attacks more recently associated with Jihadist groups like ISIS, through the use of vehicle ramming as a tactic. Darren Osborne is not the only individual to use this tactic. Paul Moore was convicted of the attempted murder of a Somali woman, who he deliberately ran over,[5] and alleged Britain First supporter, Marek Zakrocki, who tried to run over the owner of a curry restaurant.[6]
7.2 The influence of ISIS ideology and messaging on groups like National Action (NA), as shown by evidence in the Jack Renshaw terrorism trial (see below). NA activists coined the phrase ‘White Jihad’ and aspired to be viewed as the far right equivalent of ISIS[7]. It highlights the symbiotic relationship between far right and jihadist extremism.
7.3 The speed of radicalisation of far right terrorists, as evidenced in the quick radicalisation of Darren Osborne.[8]
7.4 The importance of far right, anti-Muslim online influencers as part of the radicalisation process, as expressed by the Judge in the Darren Osborne case: "Your use of Twitter exposed you to racists and anti-Islamic ideology…In short, you allowed your mind to be poisoned by those who claimed to be leaders."[9]
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 4, 2024 16:51:44 GMT
Almost half of Britons now believe right-wing extremists are a major threat following 2024 riots
Matthew Smith
Matthew Smith
Head of Data Journalism
Politics & current affairs
August 07, 2024, 10:00 AM GMT+1
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Perception that right-wing extremism is a big threat has increased 15pts since February
After a week of disorder in cities across England, almost half of Britons (47%) now believe that right-wing extremists are a “big threat”, according to the results of a new YouGov poll. This represents a fifteen point increase in six months from 32% in our previous poll in February.
This brings concern about right-wing extremists to almost the same level as that towards Islamic extremists, who 52% of people see as a big threat (a figure largely unchanged since the last poll).
Far fewer believe that left-wing extremists are a major threat (23%), and only 13% say the same of Irish Republican extremists.
If we include those who see each group as a ‘moderate’ threat, then more than seven in ten see Islamic and right-wing extremists as a significant threat (75% and 72% respectively), compared to half for left-wing extremists (49%) and a little over a third for Irish Republican extremists (37%).
The threat assessment of extremists differs significantly between voters. A majority of Labour (63%) and Lib Dem voters (66%) see right-wing extremists as a big threat. This falls to 43% among Conservative voters and just 18% among those who backed Reform UK last month.
In fact, half of Reform UK voters see far right of extremism as either a ‘minor’ threat (31%) or ‘no threat at all’ (22%). Among Tory voters only 20% see little to no danger coming from the far-right, and just 5-7% of Labour and Lib Dem voters feel likewise.
Reform UK voters are two and a half times more likely to see left-wing extremists (46%) as a big threat than those extremists on the right. Only 13-16% of Labour and Lib Dem voters say the same – as with Reform UK voters, half of Labour and Lib Dem voters (51-56%) see little to no threat coming from extremists on their side of the political spectrum.
The biggest concern for Conservative and Reform UK voters is Islamic extremism, with 70% and 84% respectively branding it a major menace. This falls to around four in ten Labour and Lib Dem voters (41% and 38% respectively) – one in five of these voters say Islamic extremists are a minor threat (20-21%), although only a tiny fraction say they aren’t a threat at all (1%)
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