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Post by borgr0 on Nov 10, 2024 16:34:58 GMT
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Post by thomas on Nov 10, 2024 16:42:24 GMT
It's pretty meaningless though Borg , because scotland will never ever be an independent country under the nuSNP. Swinney et al are devolutionists. Been saying for a number of years now how demographically scotland like Northern Ireland is a ticking time bomb , but unlike Northern Ireland , who have a pro reunification party , the nuSNP are nothing more than Scottish liberal devolutionists. They are talking about a labour/snp pact for the next Holyrood election. I appreciate you adding some interest to the thread after vinnys incessant waffle , but the fact of the matter is unless things drastically change , Scottish indy is dead in the short term. Student politicians , loony left wing liberals more concerned with men getting into woman spaces and sports , than leading scotland forward as an reemerging independent nation.
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Post by Ripley on Nov 10, 2024 16:45:45 GMT
It's pretty meaningless though Borg , because scotland will never ever be an independent country under the nuSNP. Swinney et al are devolutionists. Been saying for a number of years now how demographically scotland like Northern Ireland is a ticking time bomb , but unlike Northern Ireland , who have a pro reunification party , the nuSNP are nothing more than Scottish liberal devolutionists. They are talking about a labour/snp pact for the next Holyrood election. I appreciate you adding some interest to the thread after vinnys incessant waffle , but the fact of the matter is unless things drastically change , Scottish indy is dead in the short term. Student politicians , loony left wing liberals more concerned with men getting into woman spaces and sports , than leading scotland forward as an reemerging independent nation. What sort of ticking time bomb are you envisioning?
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Post by borgr0 on Nov 10, 2024 16:47:13 GMT
This does appear to be true, sadly
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Post by thomas on Nov 10, 2024 16:49:47 GMT
It's pretty meaningless though Borg , because scotland will never ever be an independent country under the nuSNP. Swinney et al are devolutionists. Been saying for a number of years now how demographically scotland like Northern Ireland is a ticking time bomb , but unlike Northern Ireland , who have a pro reunification party , the nuSNP are nothing more than Scottish liberal devolutionists. They are talking about a labour/snp pact for the next Holyrood election. I appreciate you adding some interest to the thread after vinnys incessant waffle , but the fact of the matter is unless things drastically change , Scottish indy is dead in the short term. Student politicians , loony left wing liberals more concerned with men getting into woman spaces and sports , than leading scotland forward as an reemerging independent nation. What sort of ticking time bomb are you envisioning? my pardon I should have been clearer , im talking about a ticking time bomb in terms of support for the union dropping , with the younger generations coming through .Independence has majority support now in every age group except the over 65s. As ive explained to Borg though , its meaningless in the short term as voting the nuSNP in and them asking politely but being told no for another indy ref is a dead end street on the road to no where. The nuSNP can keep dangling this carrot now every election , while nothing happens once they get elected. A bit like what the old Labour Party used to do . Jam tommorow , and carrots for the nodding donkeys.
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Post by thomas on Nov 10, 2024 16:52:08 GMT
This does appear to be true, sadly The nuSNP will need put to the sword metaphorically speaking before anything further will happen on this front. Im more interested in the motivations behind the damage sturgeon did to the party . The question is why ? All those open goals she deliberately missed , all those mandates wasted away. Salmonds biggest mistake as he later admitted was resigning and handing the reigns over to that woman.
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Post by thomas on Nov 10, 2024 16:52:36 GMT
It's pretty meaningless though Borg , because scotland will never ever be an independent country under the nuSNP. Swinney et al are devolutionists. Been saying for a number of years now how demographically scotland like Northern Ireland is a ticking time bomb , but unlike Northern Ireland , who have a pro reunification party , the nuSNP are nothing more than Scottish liberal devolutionists. They are talking about a labour/snp pact for the next Holyrood election. I appreciate you adding some interest to the thread after vinnys incessant waffle , but the fact of the matter is unless things drastically change , Scottish indy is dead in the short term. Student politicians , loony left wing liberals more concerned with men getting into woman spaces and sports , than leading scotland forward as an reemerging independent nation. What sort of ticking time bomb are you envisioning? what did you think I meant?
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Post by Ripley on Nov 10, 2024 16:57:02 GMT
What sort of ticking time bomb are you envisioning? what did you think I meant? I thought you might be saying that Scotland's fate will go the way of Northern Ireland's, in the sense of being abandoned by Westminster, but that wouldn't make sense, so then I wondered if you were saying that Scotland will self-destruct.
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Post by thomas on Nov 10, 2024 17:06:26 GMT
what did you think I meant? I thought you might be saying that Scotland's fate will go the way of Northern Ireland's, in the sense of being abandoned by Westminster, but that wouldn't make sense, so then I wondered if you were saying that Scotland will self-destruct. what do you mean Northern Ireland being abandoned by Westminster? Didnt your president and the eu , along with the republic , insist on a special deal for Northern Ireland post brexit ? I only wish scotland was in northern irelands political position , but here we are. Largely because of one woman , and her clique , and I would love to know what her motivations were ? im not sure why you would think scotland would self destruct. Say rather we are in limbo. An electorate determined to gain independence , while the political vehicle we were going to use has been neutered. For the moment anyway......
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Post by Ripley on Nov 10, 2024 17:17:34 GMT
I thought you might be saying that Scotland's fate will go the way of Northern Ireland's, in the sense of being abandoned by Westminster, but that wouldn't make sense, so then I wondered if you were saying that Scotland will self-destruct. what do you mean Northern Ireland being abandoned by Westminster? Didnt your president and the eu , along with the republic , insist on a special deal for Northern Ireland post brexit ? I only wish scotland was in northern irelands political position , but here we are. Largely because of one woman , and her clique , and I would love to know what her motivations were ? im not sure why you would think scotland would self destruct. Say rather we are in limbo. An electorate determined to gain independence , while the political vehicle we were going to use has been neutered. For the moment anyway...... "Abandoned" was the wrong word. It's more a case of Westminster having, in their minds, sacrificed N.I. for the sake of getting Brexit done in the rest of the country. It's my impression that Westminster doesn't have as much at stake in N.I. as in Scotland, so they care less about keeping control there. I don't think that Scotland will self-destruct. I just wondered if that's what you were saying. What's Joanna Cherry doing these days? She seemed capable of getting something done but constrained by her circumstances. Is she free now?
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Post by thomas on Nov 10, 2024 17:45:38 GMT
what do you mean Northern Ireland being abandoned by Westminster? Didnt your president and the eu , along with the republic , insist on a special deal for Northern Ireland post brexit ? I only wish scotland was in northern irelands political position , but here we are. Largely because of one woman , and her clique , and I would love to know what her motivations were ? im not sure why you would think scotland would self destruct. Say rather we are in limbo. An electorate determined to gain independence , while the political vehicle we were going to use has been neutered. For the moment anyway...... "Abandoned" was the wrong word. It's more a case of Westminster having, in their minds, sacrificed N.I. for the sake of getting Brexit done in the rest of the country. It's my impression that Westminster doesn't have as much at stake in N.I. as in Scotland, so they care less about keeping control there. I don't think that Scotland will self-destruct. I just wondered if that's what you were saying. What's Joanna Cherry doing these days? She seemed capable of getting something done but constrained by her circumstances. Is she free now? both economically and strategically Northern Ireland , or the six counties of the island and nation of ireland , is largely worthless to westminster now. If it ever had any worth outside of spite. I would imagine westminster , and most English people , would happily dump the place. Its a net drain of circa £12 billion per annum to Westminsters coffers , and I suppose they are also worried if the north goes , wether or not the whole pack of cards that is the current uk will collapse. Joanna cherry lost her seat , at the last election , and has returned as far as I know to her legal profession last I heard. She was another one put out in the cold under the sturgeon fuhrer , cared too much about an independent scotland and not enough about sturgeons pet transgender politics. Among much else. One day , the truth will come to light about Nicola sturgeon , and thats a book I for one will love to read . Until then like I said previously , scotland sits in limbo . the sad death of Alec salmond , coupled with the neutering of the snp , and the sidelining of people like cherry , means there is nothing to see here for the minute.
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Post by Ripley on Nov 10, 2024 17:54:05 GMT
"Abandoned" was the wrong word. It's more a case of Westminster having, in their minds, sacrificed N.I. for the sake of getting Brexit done in the rest of the country. It's my impression that Westminster doesn't have as much at stake in N.I. as in Scotland, so they care less about keeping control there. I don't think that Scotland will self-destruct. I just wondered if that's what you were saying. What's Joanna Cherry doing these days? She seemed capable of getting something done but constrained by her circumstances. Is she free now? both economically and strategically Northern Ireland , or the six counties of the island and nation of ireland , is largely worthless to westminster now. If it ever had any worth outside of spite. I would imagine westminster , and most English people , would happily dump the place. Its a net drain of circa £12 billion per annum to Westminsters coffers , and I suppose they are also worried if the north goes , wether or not the whole pack of cards that is the current uk will collapse. Joanna cherry lost her seat , at the last election , and has returned as far as I know to her legal profession last I heard. She was another one put out in the cold under the sturgeon fuhrer , cared too much about an independent scotland and not enough about sturgeons pet transgender politics. Among much else. One day , the truth will come to light about Nicola sturgeon , and thats a book I for one will love to read . Until then like I said previously , scotland sits in limbo . the sad death of Alec salmond , coupled with the neutering of the snp , and the sidelining of people like cherry , means there is nothing to see here for the minute. A lamentable state of affairs. Why, in your opinion, did more voters not switch from SNP to Alba? And what will become of Alba now? What has to happen in order for independence to be realized?
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Post by thomas on Nov 10, 2024 18:01:28 GMT
both economically and strategically Northern Ireland , or the six counties of the island and nation of ireland , is largely worthless to westminster now. If it ever had any worth outside of spite. I would imagine westminster , and most English people , would happily dump the place. Its a net drain of circa £12 billion per annum to Westminsters coffers , and I suppose they are also worried if the north goes , wether or not the whole pack of cards that is the current uk will collapse. Joanna cherry lost her seat , at the last election , and has returned as far as I know to her legal profession last I heard. She was another one put out in the cold under the sturgeon fuhrer , cared too much about an independent scotland and not enough about sturgeons pet transgender politics. Among much else. One day , the truth will come to light about Nicola sturgeon , and thats a book I for one will love to read . Until then like I said previously , scotland sits in limbo . the sad death of Alec salmond , coupled with the neutering of the snp , and the sidelining of people like cherry , means there is nothing to see here for the minute. A lamentable state of affairs. Why, in your opinion, did more voters not switch from SNP to Alba? And what will become of Alba now? What has to happen in order for independence to be realized? I dont think switching to alba was a credible approach at the minute under the fptp westmsinter election. You see yourself how long it takes established parties to play the dodgy electoral system , so many scot indy voters statyed at home , which then allowed labour to steal in as other parties votes dropped past them. This might change at the next Holyrood election under the proportional system .Im not sure. Im dont think without the gravitas of salmond Alba are going anywhere as things stand. I could be wrong. I do like ash regan and some of the other members in the party like Chris mc Eleny . first step in my opinion is smashing the nuSNP .
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Post by Ripley on Nov 10, 2024 18:12:35 GMT
A lamentable state of affairs. Why, in your opinion, did more voters not switch from SNP to Alba? And what will become of Alba now? What has to happen in order for independence to be realized? I dont think switching to alba was a credible approach at the minute under the fptp westmsinter election. You see yourself how long it takes established parties to play the dodgy electoral system , so many scot indy voters statyed at home , which then allowed labour to steal in as other parties votes dropped past them. This might change at the next Holyrood election under the proportional system .Im not sure. Im dont think without the gravitas of salmond Alba are going anywhere as things stand. I could be wrong. I do like ash regan and some of the other members in the party like Chris mc Eleny . first step in my opinion is smashing the nuSNP . In American politics, when a party is thrashed at the polls, there is usually a soul-searching post mortem investigation followed by whatever modifications are deemed necessary to win next time around. Is there no sign of policy changes at the SNP?
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Post by thomas on Nov 10, 2024 19:08:43 GMT
I dont think switching to alba was a credible approach at the minute under the fptp westmsinter election. You see yourself how long it takes established parties to play the dodgy electoral system , so many scot indy voters statyed at home , which then allowed labour to steal in as other parties votes dropped past them. This might change at the next Holyrood election under the proportional system .Im not sure. Im dont think without the gravitas of salmond Alba are going anywhere as things stand. I could be wrong. I do like ash regan and some of the other members in the party like Chris mc Eleny . first step in my opinion is smashing the nuSNP . In American politics, when a party is thrashed at the polls, there is usually a soul-searching post mortem investigation followed by whatever modifications are deemed necessary to win next time around. Is there no sign of policy changes at the SNP? nothing major. It's business as usual from the sturgeonite clique , with the usual soundbites and carrots thrown about. The party is full of weirdos and student politicians , under the thumb of the devolutionist old guard like swinney. the serious politicians who made the snp a force to be reckoned with have either died , retired , been sidelined ,or left the party in disgust.
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