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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 29, 2024 20:25:48 GMT
And that didn't apply to the perp. Hence my observation that "the rioters were proved right" was incorrect. Which we knew very quickly, and was not changed by today's revelation. FFS give it a rest andrea.... You want to shut down people who disagree with you? Use your report button. 😉🤣
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Post by wapentake on Oct 29, 2024 20:27:02 GMT
Whilst I have little time for rioters there are those now incarcerated for things said rather than physical action,based on that shouldn’t these be subject to the same level of prosecution. Were people to chant Muslims out of the UK what would happen? linkFor reasons I don’t understand this on X has been withdrawn,to anyone interested it was a group of Palestine protesters on a train in London chanting Whiteys out of Palestine,hence my comment.
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Post by wapentake on Oct 29, 2024 20:28:35 GMT
FFS give it a rest andrea.... You want to shut down people who disagree with you? Use your report button. 😉🤣 Oh well I hoped you’d reply to me but didn’t
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Post by jonksy on Oct 29, 2024 20:29:24 GMT
FFS give it a rest andrea.... You want to shut down people who disagree with you? Use your report button. 😉🤣 Some of us don't stoop so low as you andrea...We all know you would defend the mossie wankers.....
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Post by sheepy on Oct 29, 2024 20:33:50 GMT
So the rioters have been proven right, I thought the riots were about Asylum Seekers? Attacking all those Asylum Seeker hotels seemed to indicate that to me, unless you have superior intelligence to provide? Actually, they started with people spreading alleged false information about the Southport stabber, which also allegedly wasn't all false.
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Post by Handyman on Oct 29, 2024 21:09:51 GMT
The police lady appears to be warning that public speculation about motives could jeopardise the murder investigation, but that doesn't make much sense. Surely adding a terrorism angle to the charge will only make it a more serious offence. It's remarkable the extent to which the police and politicians walk on eggs when it to comes to Muslim criminality. IMHO It is normal for Police to say very little when they arrest and charge a suspect with Murder, the reason they do not go into detail is they do not want to jeopardise the inevitable trial as members of the Public will form a Jury, and need to approach their task with an open mind, and told by the Court to put aside any speculation rumours they may have heard in the press or locally. Same when suspected Terrorists are put on trial the Press are told very little, the Judge can put in place reporting restrictions even hold some of the Trial in Camera , no press no public in the gallery just the Jury, Defendants, Council, Defence, and those giving evidence, etc. Again IMHO. The Internet is great lots of correct information to hand, but there is also a lot of false inaccurate information Rumour Control some of which has recently caused violence on UK Streets and in other countries, spread by those with an axe to grind, or their Political views, or lunatics or by another hostile country that wants to cause unrest, Russia is a prime example. With this man you will only get to know chapter and verse as when and if he is convicted of Murder and Attempted Murder, as for the Terrorism Charges we may not full chapter and verse, as it is highly likely the Terrorism Unit, MI5 and MI6 will be looking at who he was in contact where they and what they maybe, all done on the QT
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 29, 2024 22:13:09 GMT
You want to shut down people who disagree with you? Use your report button. 😉🤣 Oh well I hoped you’d reply to me but didn’t Apologies, didn't spot that. I'd say that given that the police have confirmed today that they are not treating the stanbings as a terrorist event, I'm not sure that's true.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 29, 2024 22:32:57 GMT
Hardly that much of a surprise, and I pleased Wooton is not saying more. In the Evening Standard today " The teenager accused of the fatal stabbing of three girls at a dance class in Southport has been charged with production of a deadly poison and a terror offence, the chief constable of Merseyside Police has said. Axel Rudakubana, 18, will appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court by videolink on Wednesday charged with production of a biological toxin, Ricin, and possession of information likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing to commit an act of terrorism. The charges come after searches of his home in Banks, Lancashire, Merseyside Police Chief Constable Serena Kennedy said at a press conference on Tuesday. The terror offence relates to a PDF file entitled Military Studies In The Jihad Against The Tyrants, The Al Qaeda Training Manual, Ms Kennedy said. " I wonder how he got hold of a copy of my 1981 research paper ? Nobody's knocked the door for a chat. Hmmm. Something I picked up from a couple of reports. The terrorism charges arise from posession of materials likely to be useful blah blah blah. The stabbing was not pronounced a terrorist incident because the ass holes learned their lesson then hard way with Edward Snowden's material. When a Telegraph journalist used his argentinian boyfriend to mule the state secrets out of the UK, the twats busted him under the Terrorism Act 2000. Such utter stupidity cannot be brushed aside, for the charge made required proof of motive, which they knew they'd never pin on him, whereas had they charged him as a citizen of a hostile foreign power being found in possession of military secrets contrary to our Espionage laws, well .... So I'm pretty sure they don't want to go there and have the case dismissed for lack of motive ...
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Post by sandypine on Oct 29, 2024 22:45:29 GMT
So the rioters have been proven right, I thought the riots were about Asylum Seekers? Attacking all those Asylum Seeker hotels seemed to indicate that to me, unless you have superior intelligence to provide? The riot in Southport targeted a mosque for the reason that many believed that the killings that day was a terrorist act arising from Islam. The police said they were wrong yet here we are. The asylum seeker attacks were based on the fact that most at that time were young Muslim men and the risk of similar occurring in their neighbourhood was a source of anger for many people. That is how I see it to greater or lesser degrees. Rioting is not the right answer, it is however hard to see what is given that our government seem hell bent on making our situation worse and the police have seemingly been coopted into calming public anger as regards asylum seekers and Islamic attacks by being delicate with information.
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Post by wapentake on Oct 29, 2024 23:08:43 GMT
Oh well I hoped you’d reply to me but didn’t Apologies, didn't spot that. I'd say that given that the police have confirmed today that they are not treating the stanbings as a terrorist event, I'm not sure that's true. Surely it’s not their decision but that of the cps
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 30, 2024 0:13:00 GMT
If this evidence was found during a search of the suspect's home, then it would have been discovered very soon after the killings - so why have the Police sat on this and allowed those people claiming an Islamist link to get attacked in the media?. My guess is MI6 would know all about this chap, and why he is here.
By the way, it was reported today that at the Salisbury nerve agent attack the first two that just happened to be passing by were both senior military personnel, and one was senior medical. That's another fishy one in my book. Such evidence is what I would say is highly suspicious. Either a freak coincidence or they were there for a reason.
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 30, 2024 4:10:02 GMT
The police lady appears to be warning that public speculation about motives could jeopardise the murder investigation, but that doesn't make much sense. Surely adding a terrorism angle to the charge will only make it a more serious offence. It's remarkable the extent to which the police and politicians walk on eggs when it to comes to Muslim criminality. You find it remarkable others find it bloody infuriating. Hence why people took to the streets. For decades the Islamophobic card has been used to trump the fear of Islamic terrorism. A very real and prevalent threat in our society. However, the efforts our elite go to to tip-toe around the issue because they are too frightened of calling a spade a spade infuriates many, especially when they witness the two-tier discourse approach towards the Muslim community and the rest of society.
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 30, 2024 4:18:42 GMT
Have to admit, this bloke comes across as a 'wrong-un'. Trying very hard here to empathise with the views of the general public. He looks and sounds fake IMHO. In the words of Nigel Farage 'Who are you?'
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 30, 2024 7:32:21 GMT
I thought the riots were about Asylum Seekers? Attacking all those Asylum Seeker hotels seemed to indicate that to me, unless you have superior intelligence to provide? And that didn't apply to the perp. Hence my observation that "the rioters were proved right" was incorrect. Which we knew very quickly, and was not changed by today's revelation. The riots were about ideological crimes committed by persons from alien cultures. Of which this was one. The authorities even denied that it was terror related, even though it was obvious that it was, and people were imprisoned for pointing out what has now turned out to be the truth. You know this. So please do stop being disingenuous, there's a chap.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 30, 2024 7:35:21 GMT
...the police have confirmed today that they are not treating the stanbings as a terrorist event...
Then they're fucking idiots. Or they think we are.
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