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Post by zanygame on Nov 6, 2024 7:57:05 GMT
No one is planning on cutting the gas pipes and sealing the ends. But over the last 12 months is a more realistic measure, which is why you're reduced to this garbage, So the policy is to keep gas power stations for when the wind does not blow - hence prices for the consumer will rise as you are building parallel generation systems. And to think somebody claimed renewables were cheaper..  My solution is much more variable than that, but it would involve, gas/coal as a back up. Have you counted the cost of continuing to use fossil fuels in your thoughts? My solutions include, Intelligent usage, batteries, pumped hydro, shared power supplies. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 6, 2024 8:04:30 GMT
So the policy is to keep gas power stations for when the wind does not blow - hence prices for the consumer will rise as you are building parallel generation systems. And to think somebody claimed renewables were cheaper.. My solution is much more variable than that, but it would involve, gas/coal as a back up. Have you counted the cost of continuing to use fossil fuels in your thoughts? My solutions include, Intelligent usage, batteries, pumped hydro, shared power supplies. Continuing to use fossil fuels is the cheapest option - it is what has led other countries around the globe to have much cheaper energy than us. Intelligent usage is another term for rationing which would not be beneficial to economic growth. Shared power supplies means being reliant on other countries for your core economic policy - the recent behaviour of France and Russia surely put paid to that idea. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 6, 2024 8:08:54 GMT
My solution is much more variable than that, but it would involve, gas/coal as a back up. Have you counted the cost of continuing to use fossil fuels in your thoughts? My solutions include, Intelligent usage, batteries, pumped hydro, shared power supplies. Continuing to use fossil fuels is the cheapest option - it is what has led other countries around the globe to have much cheaper energy than us. Intelligent usage is another term for rationing which would not be beneficial to economic growth. Shared power supplies means being reliant on other countries for your core economic policy - the recent behaviour of France and Russia surely put paid to that idea. The cheapest thing to do would be suck up to Putin and give him the Ukraine. Is it all about the money? Intelligent usage does not mean rationing as you well know, but winning the argument is more important to you than the truth. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 6, 2024 8:12:14 GMT
Continuing to use fossil fuels is the cheapest option - it is what has led other countries around the globe to have much cheaper energy than us. Intelligent usage is another term for rationing which would not be beneficial to economic growth. Shared power supplies means being reliant on other countries for your core economic policy - the recent behaviour of France and Russia surely put paid to that idea. The cheapest thing to do would be suck up to Putin and give him the Ukraine. Is it all about the money? Intelligent usage does not mean rationing as you well know, but winning the argument is more important to you than the truth. Of course it means rationing - it the the definition of rationing. If you have not got adequate supply then restricting consumption (either voluntarily or forcefully) means you have to ration what supply you do have. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 6, 2024 8:18:53 GMT
The cheapest thing to do would be suck up to Putin and give him the Ukraine. Is it all about the money? Intelligent usage does not mean rationing as you well know, but winning the argument is more important to you than the truth. Of course it means rationing - it the the definition of rationing. If you have not got adequate supply then restricting consumption (either voluntarily or forcefully) means you have to ration what supply you do have. In that definition everything is rationed. Water, Health care, even food is not endless. But intelligent usage means you switch on your appliances and AI decides when to run them, usually at a saving to yourself. Intelligent usage means using wind power at night to keep furnaces at a high temperature so that in the working period they require less gas to bring them to operating temperature. Saving again. There are a hundred ways of using that power generated at night at no extra cost. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 6, 2024 8:19:31 GMT
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The cheapest thing to do would be suck up to Putin and give him the Ukraine. Is it all about the money?
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 6, 2024 8:26:36 GMT
Of course it means rationing - it the the definition of rationing. If you have not got adequate supply then restricting consumption (either voluntarily or forcefully) means you have to ration what supply you do have. In that definition everything is rationed. Water, Health care, even food is not endless. But intelligent usage means you switch on your appliances and AI decides when to run them, usually at a saving to yourself. Intelligent usage means using wind power at night to keep furnaces at a high temperature so that in the working period they require less gas to bring them to operating temperature. Saving again. There are a hundred ways of using that power generated at night at no extra cost. Of course health care is rationed - hence the waiting lists for it. But what happens when there is not enough energy supply? - you cannot AI into existence something that does not exist. Also what happens if I dont want to do my washing in the middle of the night? - if you are not forcing people to comply then the outcome is not going to be as effective as you might wish. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 6, 2024 8:47:29 GMT
In that definition everything is rationed. Water, Health care, even food is not endless. But intelligent usage means you switch on your appliances and AI decides when to run them, usually at a saving to yourself. Intelligent usage means using wind power at night to keep furnaces at a high temperature so that in the working period they require less gas to bring them to operating temperature. Saving again. There are a hundred ways of using that power generated at night at no extra cost. Of course health care is rationed - hence the waiting lists for it. But what happens when there is not enough energy supply? - you cannot AI into existence something that does not exist. Also what happens if I dont want to do my washing in the middle of the night? - if you are not forcing people to comply then the outcome is not going to be as effective as you might wish. I wasn't claiming health care isn't rationed, my claim is everything is rationed. When all the other systems I combined fail to supply, then your gas back comes into use. But you still buy a lot less gas, which after all is the expensive bit of fossil fuel power systems. If you don't want to do your washing at high energy available times (Not just the middle of the night) you would be free to do so. The system is designed to encourage, not force. If you are happy to pay twice as much per wash just to do it in at an inopportune time that would be your choice. And in nice synchronicity you would be paying that extra cost of burning gas. One thing I forgot to mention that makes a significant difference is that the gas powered generating plants could run full time supplying which every country is suffering a shortfall. There would just be significantly less of them across the globe. Net zero does not require no fossil fuels. You still haven't addressed my point on Putin. Is it always just about the money or are you willing to pay more for things you think are worthy? Onre |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 6, 2024 9:10:18 GMT
You have not got the maths correct, so no that does not follow. I'm afraid I have Baron - more investment is more on bills. You are fooling yourself. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 6, 2024 9:13:46 GMT
You have not got a clue what it is about. It's not bullshit either. I've been looking at this myself. I like the idea that you arrive home plug your car in and from 8pm (When you've had a beer, so wont be using the car) the remaing power in the battery is used to power your home, then at 3am it switches and re-charges your battery at the very cheap night rate. One question is how much these extra cycles shorten the battery life.In the future I think many homes will have a battery of their own (possibly ones deemed no longer viable for the vehicle they came from, but perfectly ok for home use.) My video answers this very question. Doing that increases the life. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 6, 2024 9:24:11 GMT
You have not got a clue what it is about. It's not bullshit either. I've been looking at this myself. I like the idea that you arrive home plug your car in and from 8pm (When you've had a beer, so wont be using the car) the remaing power in the battery is used to power your home, then at 3am it switches and re-charges your battery at the very cheap night rate. One question is how much these extra cycles shorten the battery life. In the future I think many homes will have a battery of their own (possibly ones deemed no longer viable for the vehicle they came from, but perfectly ok for home use.) Total RUBBISH zany batteries are not the answer and neither are windfarms or solar panels. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 6, 2024 9:26:45 GMT
I've been looking at this myself. I like the idea that you arrive home plug your car in and from 8pm (When you've had a beer, so wont be using the car) the remaing power in the battery is used to power your home, then at 3am it switches and re-charges your battery at the very cheap night rate. One question is how much these extra cycles shorten the battery life.In the future I think many homes will have a battery of their own (possibly ones deemed no longer viable for the vehicle they came from, but perfectly ok for home use.) My video answers this very question. Doing that increases the life. Every time a battery is charged it depletes the battery life...Even if they are deep cycled first... |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 6, 2024 9:31:33 GMT
I've been looking at this myself. I like the idea that you arrive home plug your car in and from 8pm (When you've had a beer, so wont be using the car) the remaing power in the battery is used to power your home, then at 3am it switches and re-charges your battery at the very cheap night rate. One question is how much these extra cycles shorten the battery life.In the future I think many homes will have a battery of their own (possibly ones deemed no longer viable for the vehicle they came from, but perfectly ok for home use.) My video answers this very question. Doing that increases the life. Cool. I don't often watch posted videos, I find the wadding tedious to watch before you get to the points. But I took your lead and searched on google for info on the latest thinking. Interesting that more often charge and discharge increases the life cycle of the batteries. That goes against most thinking on power tools etc. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 6, 2024 9:38:39 GMT
My video answers this very question. Doing that increases the life. Every time a battery is charged it depletes the battery life...Even if they are deep cycled first... Well it shows you how much you don't know. This is why I was trying to educate you lot, but you think you already know. Thinking you already know when you don't just creates stupidity. This very issue was the subject of scientific tests. Now I know and you don't. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 6, 2024 9:47:06 GMT
My video answers this very question. Doing that increases the life. Cool. I don't often watch posted videos, I find the wadding tedious to watch before you get to the points. But I took your lead and searched on google for info on the latest thinking. Interesting that more often charge and discharge increases the life cycle of the batteries. That goes against most thinking on power tools etc. A lot of videos are like that and it is very rare I would post one, and if I had to in order to fulfil a request for proof I would give the time where the point was got to. The video I posted was worth watching from beginning to end as it sets out all the factors, provides factual information, names of those who are doing this and that. The Electric Viking is an excellent channel and the chap who does it is very popular, and often gets invited as a speaker to conferences and all. He lives in Taiwan, so he can easily take a flight to the mainland and go and look around their factories and exhibitions himself. So big thumbs up and I have learnt stack loads, including most of the important research that has come out. If you were a regular viewer and kept up with it, you would see things very clearly. He predicted the fall of VW long before it became news. It's inside information. |
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