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Post by jonksy on Nov 16, 2024 11:38:21 GMT
And once again who is going to pay for these upgrades? Even if you have fee labour who pays for the materials required? Eventually it will work out cheaper, so you can amortise the costs. This is long-term investment. As you go electric your petrol bills cease, the cost you pay now to service an old gas network will vanish and your heating bills will go down. You end up with the cost of transport, heating and powering your home all indexed to the price of electricity, which in turn will index to the price of solar and wind production.
How will it work out cheaper? Why try and fix what isnt broken our national grid does perfectly well in moving electricity from A to B. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 16, 2024 11:39:15 GMT
Here’s an idea. How about ignoring the net zero nuts and introducing net zero over a longer period .
It wouldn’t make much difference to the world’s CO2 and it would give us more time to build the infrastructure.
The only downside is that it would increase the amount of hot air from the cult of net zero members .
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 16, 2024 12:27:12 GMT
Eventually it will work out cheaper, so you can amortise the costs. This is long-term investment. As you go electric your petrol bills cease, the cost you pay now to service an old gas network will vanish and your heating bills will go down. You end up with the cost of transport, heating and powering your home all indexed to the price of electricity, which in turn will index to the price of solar and wind production.
How will it work out cheaper? Why try and fix what isnt broken our national grid does perfectly well in moving electricity from A to B. This might help the penny to drop.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 16, 2024 12:32:46 GMT
Here’s an idea. How about ignoring the net zero nuts and introducing net zero over a longer period . It wouldn’t make much difference to the world’s CO2 and it would give us more time to build the infrastructure. The only downside is that it would increase the amount of hot air from the cult of net zero members . I think you are on the right track, but what we really need to know is the optimum strategy, i.e the one that is most cost effective. Make it too long and we get weighed down by huge costs on hydrocarbons, and too soon means we don't get the saving on replacing infrastructure when it needed replacing anyway. There should be a numerical answer. Use the maths! (not 'the force'). |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 16, 2024 12:49:05 GMT
How will it work out cheaper? Why try and fix what isnt broken our national grid does perfectly well in moving electricity from A to B. This might help the penny to drop.
Only because the net zero nutters want to stop oil Baron..Trump is going to drill more oil wells now that is positive why waste whats inder our feet to suit a few idiots who cannot even hold their own when in comes for making excuses. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 16, 2024 13:10:27 GMT
This might help the penny to drop.
Only because the net zero nutters want to stop oil Baron..Trump is going to drill more oil wells now that is positive why waste whats inder our feet to suit a few idiots who cannot even hold their own when in comes for making excuses. Old oil wells which have been capped are leaking and the water bubbling up is full of sulphuric acid which kills all the vegetation and anything else that goes near it. I think they emit toxic gases as well.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 16, 2024 13:12:33 GMT
Only because the net zero nutters want to stop oil Baron..Trump is going to drill more oil wells now that is positive why waste whats inder our feet to suit a few idiots who cannot even hold their own when in comes for making excuses. Old oil wells which have been capped are leaking and the water bubbling up is full of sulphuric acid which kills all the vegetation and anything else that goes near it. I think they emit toxic gases as well.
And what does mining litheum do for your magic batteries Baron? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 16, 2024 13:20:51 GMT
All which cars. How many are "All these cars" I already said your sums are based on an endless cars queuing to charge. It wont happen like that. But I think its too new for you and you are unable to grasp the changes. Its like trying to describe a mobile phone society to someone whose used to telephone kiosks. Well a lot of words, but no actual answers to the practical problems. The fact is that in some areas there are long lines of queues at petrol stations - if you are going to replace ICE cars with EV's that you intend to recharge in 5 minutes then there are severe infrastructure issues that need to be overcome. Simply saying it will all be fine on the day is not a very sensible response to a serious issue. I haven't just said it will be fine on the day. I have written reams on how many factors in refuelling will all change. From your responses you are unable to understand them. So I have given up. Its quite tiring to keep explaining the same thing to a person who doesn't want to understand. I have tried almost every description and analogy, but you just keep comparing it to petrol stations. And between every post I have to run the gauntlet of stupid insults as well (great modding BTW) |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 16, 2024 13:24:29 GMT
Old oil wells which have been capped are leaking and the water bubbling up is full of sulphuric acid which kills all the vegetation and anything else that goes near it. I think they emit toxic gases as well.
And what does mining litheum do for your magic batteries Baron? Ah yes of course. Oil pollution can be justified because of other possible pollution. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 16, 2024 13:32:46 GMT
And what does mining litheum do for your magic batteries Baron? Ah yes of course. Oil pollution can be justified because of other possible pollution. Well you excuse the mining of slave labour used to mine litheum and the damege it does to the enviroment. Baron is talking shite as per as oil wells are capped when they run dry and are no threat... |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 16, 2024 13:34:17 GMT
Ah yes of course. Oil pollution can be justified because of other possible pollution. Well you excuse the mining and the use of slave labour used to mine litheum and the damege it does to the enviroment. Baron is talking shite as per as oil wells are capped when they run dry and are no threat... |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 16, 2024 13:35:32 GMT
Old oil wells which have been capped are leaking and the water bubbling up is full of sulphuric acid which kills all the vegetation and anything else that goes near it. I think they emit toxic gases as well.
And what does mining litheum do for your magic batteries Baron? There are problems with this too. The main one is to do with the quantity of fresh water needed and the potential for the water to combine with toxic byproducts. There are moves towards recycling this lithium but not mainstream yet. It's a complicated equation to balance up, but I still think 3 different things combined into one transmission line is an economical way to go. Gas pipes have a tendency to leak and gas is very dangerous. Electric cables are much easier to handle and far more predictable. Petrol is also a hazardous substance to move around and even carry with you in a car if you have a smash-up. Generally speaking if something is dangerous, the supply of it is expensive due to the amount of safety measures. For example gas pipes would need to be changed before the end of their life to account for a large safety margin. With leccy, if it fucks up it is likely just to blow a fuse, not blow up your house. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 16, 2024 13:46:00 GMT
And what does mining litheum do for your magic batteries Baron? There are problems with this too. The main one is to do with the quantity of fresh water needed and the potential for the water to combine with toxic byproducts. There are moves towards recycling this lithium but not mainstream yet. It's a complicated equation to balance up, but I still think 3 different things combined into one transmission line is an economical way to go. Gas pipes have a tendency to leak and gas is very dangerous. Electric cables are much easier to handle and far more predictable. Petrol is also a hazardous substance to move around and even carry with you in a car if you have a smash-up. Generally speaking if something is dangerous, the supply of it is expensive due to the amount of safety measures. For example gas pipes would need to be changed before the end of their life to account for a large safety margin. With leccy, if it fucks up it is likely just to blow a fuse, not blow up your house. Not to mention that it is mined using child slave labour. No price is too large to pay for net zero as long as it isn't the zealots who are paying the price.. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 16, 2024 14:32:37 GMT
Ah yes of course. Oil pollution can be justified because of other possible pollution. Well you excuse the mining of slave labour used to mine litheum and the damege it does to the enviroment. Baron is talking shite as per as oil wells are capped when they run dry and are no threat... I never excuse it. I am one of those virtue signallers who cared about wage slavery in Africa before it became a convenient way to slag off EV's That's why I asked you if you cared about copper mine slavery as well as lithium mine slavery. Or the pollution in Nigeria’s Ogoniland? Bet you hated buying Diesel. www.aljazeera.com/features/2022/12/21/timeline-oil-spills-in-nigerias-ogoniland |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 16, 2024 15:27:25 GMT
Well you excuse the mining of slave labour used to mine litheum and the damege it does to the enviroment. Baron is talking shite as per as oil wells are capped when they run dry and are no threat... I never excuse it. I am one of those virtue signallers who cared about wage slavery in Africa before it became a convenient way to slag off EV's That's why I asked you if you cared about copper mine slavery as well as lithium mine slavery. Or the pollution in Nigeria’s Ogoniland? Bet you hated buying Diesel. www.aljazeera.com/features/2022/12/21/timeline-oil-spills-in-nigerias-ogonilandThat's oil spills FFS and has sod all todo with capped oilwells. How many oli spills have we had caused by tankers? Not as many as ev's deciding to blowup and burn.. |
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