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Post by Pacifico on Nov 15, 2024 22:28:39 GMT
I doubt that many supermarkets have a 10MW power supply - and we are only talking about 20 recharge points after all. I think the closest Tescos to me already has 6 so if it needs to look after all those that currently go to petrol stations it is going to have to expand massively. They don't need 10mw. So where is the power coming from to charge all these cars in 5 minutes? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 16, 2024 8:26:39 GMT
So where is the power coming from to charge all these cars in 5 minutes? All which cars. How many are "All these cars" I already said your sums are based on an endless cars queuing to charge. It wont happen like that. But I think its too new for you and you are unable to grasp the changes. Its like trying to describe a mobile phone society to someone whose used to telephone kiosks. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 16, 2024 8:36:32 GMT
So where is the power coming from to charge all these cars in 5 minutes? All which cars. How many are "All these cars" I already said your sums are based on an endless cars queuing to charge. It wont happen like that. But I think its too new for you and you are unable to grasp the changes. Its like trying to describe a mobile phone society to someone whose used to telephone kiosks. Well a lot of words, but no actual answers to the practical problems. The fact is that in some areas there are long lines of queues at petrol stations - if you are going to replace ICE cars with EV's that you intend to recharge in 5 minutes then there are severe infrastructure issues that need to be overcome. Simply saying it will all be fine on the day is not a very sensible response to a serious issue. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 16, 2024 8:55:17 GMT
at a busy petrol station, cars would enter / leave about once every 30 seconds. This gives as a basis for looking at the power demands for an equivalent electric facility. Assuming 75kwh battery in the cars, it will be 75 * 120 kw or about 9mw - which is about the same as the estimate for 10 cars charging at once, which makes sense because 5 minutes is ten times 30 seconds If the station is busy like this for 4 hours a day it will supply (in that time) 4 * 120 * 75kwh = 36Mwh So one of these will be needed - www.energy-storage.news/developers-taaleri-energia-and-merus-power-deploying-36mwh-battery-storage-unit-in-finland/well that covers the busy period i modelled,. i doubt demand will be zero for the rest of the day |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 16, 2024 10:00:49 GMT
All which cars. How many are "All these cars" I already said your sums are based on an endless cars queuing to charge. It wont happen like that. But I think its too new for you and you are unable to grasp the changes. Its like trying to describe a mobile phone society to someone whose used to telephone kiosks. Well a lot of words, but no actual answers to the practical problems. The fact is that in some areas there are long lines of queues at petrol stations - if you are going to replace ICE cars with EV's that you intend to recharge in 5 minutes then there are severe infrastructure issues that need to be overcome. Simply saying it will all be fine on the day is not a very sensible response to a serious issue.That and “ here’s one for £110k “sums up his entire repertoire of responses . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 16, 2024 10:18:35 GMT
All which cars. How many are "All these cars" I already said your sums are based on an endless cars queuing to charge. It wont happen like that. But I think its too new for you and you are unable to grasp the changes. Its like trying to describe a mobile phone society to someone whose used to telephone kiosks. Well a lot of words, but no actual answers to the practical problems. The fact is that in some areas there are long lines of queues at petrol stations - if you are going to replace ICE cars with EV's that you intend to recharge in 5 minutes then there are severe infrastructure issues that need to be overcome. Simply saying it will all be fine on the day is not a very sensible response to a serious issue. What we ideally need is a higher standard of power delivery to the domestic home. In the future we should have one cable that delivers electricity, energy for heating and transport all down the same wire, which is a lot cheaper than three networks: electricity, gas and petrol. As an engineer, this is your ideal dream solution: one network - three functions. In addition we have chargers at destinations, such as shopping centre car parks, places of work, airports, railway stations. Now with all of that in place hardly anyone is going to need a petrol station to charge their car. Petrol stations can convert into shops and restaurants so one can take a break and there they will not need that much in the way of charging, more like an emergency charger that is for the dimwits that went out on a flat battery. |
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Post by honestjohn on Nov 16, 2024 10:22:51 GMT
Running petrol, gas and electricity in the same conduit? What could possibly go wrong?
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Post by jonksy on Nov 16, 2024 10:23:58 GMT
Well a lot of words, but no actual answers to the practical problems. The fact is that in some areas there are long lines of queues at petrol stations - if you are going to replace ICE cars with EV's that you intend to recharge in 5 minutes then there are severe infrastructure issues that need to be overcome. Simply saying it will all be fine on the day is not a very sensible response to a serious issue. What we ideally need is a higher standard of power delivery to the domestic home. In the future we should have one cable that delivers electricity, energy for heating and transport all down the same wire, which is a lot cheaper than three networks: electricity, gas and petrol. As an engineer, this is your ideal dream solution: one network - three functions. In addition we have chargers at destinations, such as shopping centre car parks, places of work, airports, railway stations. Now with all of that in place hardly anyone is going to need a petrol station to charge their car. Petrol stations can convert into shops and restaurants so one can take a break and there they will not need that much in the way of charging, more like an emergency charger that is for the dimwits that went out on a flat battery. And who is going to pay for all this updating of cables etc Baron? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 16, 2024 10:52:50 GMT
What we ideally need is a higher standard of power delivery to the domestic home. In the future we should have one cable that delivers electricity, energy for heating and transport all down the same wire, which is a lot cheaper than three networks: electricity, gas and petrol. As an engineer, this is your ideal dream solution: one network - three functions. In addition we have chargers at destinations, such as shopping centre car parks, places of work, airports, railway stations. Now with all of that in place hardly anyone is going to need a petrol station to charge their car. Petrol stations can convert into shops and restaurants so one can take a break and there they will not need that much in the way of charging, more like an emergency charger that is for the dimwits that went out on a flat battery. And who is going to pay for all this updating of cables etc Baron? It is an investment, but you can get that for free if it is for new homes or through natural replacement after the old ones come to the end of their lives. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 16, 2024 10:55:59 GMT
And who is going to pay for all this updating of cables etc Baron? It is an investment, but you can get that for free if it is for new homes or through natural replacement after the old ones come to the end of their lives. And how about new builds? It will be years before they need replacing? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 16, 2024 11:02:33 GMT
It is an investment, but you can get that for free if it is for new homes or through natural replacement after the old ones come to the end of their lives. And how about new builds? It will be years before they need replacing? We managed it OK with fibre optic rollout. You just charge a premium to start with so the rich people who need the extra power pay a bit more, and then as you scale up the costs come down. Like Arthur Daly is famous for saying, one has to speculate to accumulate. Sitting on our arses complaining all day long is the way third world nations behave. They just bring out the begging bowl. What we need to do is get all the bullshit non-jobbers out on the roads with some fat cables and a digger. Tell them it will be a life-changing experience to do some real work. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 16, 2024 11:06:20 GMT
And how about new builds? It will be years before they need replacing? We managed it OK with fibre optic rollout. You just charge a premium to start with so the rich people who need the extra power pay a bit more, and then as you scale up the costs come down. Like Arthur Daly is famous for saying, one has to speculate to accumulate. Sitting on our arses complaining all day long is the way third world nations behave. They just bring out the begging bowl. What we need to do is get all the bullshit non-jobbers out on the roads with some fat cables and a digger. Tell them it will be a life-changing experience to do some real work. And once again who is going to pay for these upgrades? Even if you have fee labour who pays for the materials required? |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 16, 2024 11:18:22 GMT
And how about new builds? It will be years before they need replacing? We managed it OK with fibre optic rollout. You just charge a premium to start with so the rich people who need the extra power pay a bit more, and then as you scale up the costs come down. Like Arthur Daly is famous for saying, one has to speculate to accumulate. Sitting on our arses complaining all day long is the way third world nations behave. They just bring out the begging bowl. What we need to do is get all the bullshit non-jobbers out on the roads with some fat cables and a digger. Tell them it will be a life-changing experience to do some real work. And there we have it . Net zero is piss easy . All we have to do is completely change society . |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 16, 2024 11:27:52 GMT
Well a lot of words, but no actual answers to the practical problems. The fact is that in some areas there are long lines of queues at petrol stations - if you are going to replace ICE cars with EV's that you intend to recharge in 5 minutes then there are severe infrastructure issues that need to be overcome. Simply saying it will all be fine on the day is not a very sensible response to a serious issue. What we ideally need is a higher standard of power delivery to the domestic home. In the future we should have one cable that delivers electricity, energy for heating and transport all down the same wire, which is a lot cheaper than three networks: electricity, gas and petrol. As an engineer, this is your ideal dream solution: one network - three functions. In addition we have chargers at destinations, such as shopping centre car parks, places of work, airports, railway stations. Now with all of that in place hardly anyone is going to need a petrol station to charge their car. Petrol stations can convert into shops and restaurants so one can take a break and there they will not need that much in the way of charging, more like an emergency charger that is for the dimwits that went out on a flat battery. I'm not sure that rewiring the entire country is a practical solution. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 16, 2024 11:34:30 GMT
We managed it OK with fibre optic rollout. You just charge a premium to start with so the rich people who need the extra power pay a bit more, and then as you scale up the costs come down. Like Arthur Daly is famous for saying, one has to speculate to accumulate. Sitting on our arses complaining all day long is the way third world nations behave. They just bring out the begging bowl. What we need to do is get all the bullshit non-jobbers out on the roads with some fat cables and a digger. Tell them it will be a life-changing experience to do some real work. And once again who is going to pay for these upgrades? Even if you have fee labour who pays for the materials required? Eventually it will work out cheaper, so you can amortise the costs. This is long-term investment. As you go electric your petrol bills cease, the cost you pay now to service an old gas network will vanish and your heating bills will go down. You end up with the cost of transport, heating and powering your home all indexed to the price of electricity, which in turn will index to the price of solar and wind production.
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