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Post by thomas on Nov 12, 2024 17:44:12 GMT
Car industry sounds warning as electric car sales stall
The SMMT argues the government should take a share of the responsibility for driving the transition to electric vehicles as it says manufacturers are facing all of the risks in a tough market for new car sales
While there was a record 56,362 battery electric models sold, it pushed the market share over the year to date up only slightly to 17.8% from 17.2% - still below the zero emission vehicle mandate of 22%.
The SMMT believed the figure would only rise to around 18.5% by the year's end.
Way below the 22% mandated target. news.sky.com/story/car-industry-sounds-warning-as-electric-car-sales-stall-13227044
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Post by Orac on Nov 12, 2024 17:44:42 GMT
Doesn't answer the question. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 17:44:47 GMT
Said they wont believe you. Yet cars keep getting better, cheaper, more distance, faster charging. We've seen it all before.  If it all comes down to belief for you, then some people's point is made. We see an endless stream of claims about a killer battery tech that significantly solves the problem, but so far, none have panned out. This is most likely more of the same. My own view is there are good reasons why battery tech is unlikely to get significantly better than it is now (in any foreseeable future). I could be wrong, but only because just about any claim about the future can be wrong. We saw the same with mobile phones, but still they came. I have a phone that folds out to a tablet and lasts two days on a charge. Someone like you would have laughed at that idea in the past. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 17:46:16 GMT
Doesn't answer the question. I thought the article might if you read it. What it does answer is that it can be done even if we mere mortals struggle as to how. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 12, 2024 17:47:17 GMT
If it all comes down to belief for you, then some people's point is made. We see an endless stream of claims about a killer battery tech that significantly solves the problem, but so far, none have panned out. This is most likely more of the same. My own view is there are good reasons why battery tech is unlikely to get significantly better than it is now (in any foreseeable future). I could be wrong, but only because just about any claim about the future can be wrong. We saw the same with mobile phones, but still they came. I have a phone that folds out to a tablet and lasts two days on a charge. Someone like you would have laughed at that idea in the past. Nope. In any case, one important distinction is that we we didn't have maniacs banning an essential technology that worked in the hope that mobile telephones would get suitable batteries |
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Post by Orac on Nov 12, 2024 17:50:33 GMT
Doesn't answer the question. I thought the article might if you read it. What it does answer is that it can be done even if we mere mortals struggle as to how. I wouldn't have thought so. The point was made that in order for it to charge at that rate it has to be charged at that rate - hence you hit the next problem in the chain of problems. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 17:51:20 GMT
If it all comes down to belief for you, then some people's point is made. We see an endless stream of claims about a killer battery tech that significantly solves the problem, but so far, none have panned out. This is most likely more of the same. My own view is there are good reasons why battery tech is unlikely to get significantly better than it is now (in any foreseeable future). I could be wrong, but only because just about any claim about the future can be wrong. We saw the same with mobile phones, but still they came. I have a phone that folds out to a tablet and lasts two days on a charge. Someone like you would have laughed at that idea in the past. Indeed but no one bought a Nokia because someone told them that IPhones will be great . I wouldn’t buy an EV today because a Hybrid owner told me about future EVs. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 17:51:27 GMT
My guess without reading up on it is that they are pre-charged more slowly from the grid, then supply the 500kw to the car battery.
I expect Baron can tell us.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 17:52:17 GMT
I thought the article might if you read it. What it does answer is that it can be done even if we mere mortals struggle as to how. I wouldn't have thought so. The point was made that in order for it to charge at that rate it has to be charged at that rate - hence you hit the next problem in the chain of problems. I very much doubt you are correct. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 12, 2024 17:54:20 GMT
That does not tell me how much power supply you need to charge a battery in 5 minutes. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 12, 2024 17:55:02 GMT
My guess without reading up on it is that they are pre-charged more slowly from the grid, then supply the 500kw to the car battery. I expect Baron can tell us. This weirdly makes it sound like a false claim |
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Post by Orac on Nov 12, 2024 17:55:33 GMT
I wouldn't have thought so. The point was made that in order for it to charge at that rate it has to be charged at that rate - hence you hit the next problem in the chain of problems. I very much doubt you are correct. Not correct about what? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 17:57:49 GMT
We saw the same with mobile phones, but still they came. I have a phone that folds out to a tablet and lasts two days on a charge. Someone like you would have laughed at that idea in the past. Indeed but no one bought a Nokia because someone told them that IPhones will be great . I wouldn’t buy an EV today because a Hybrid owner told me about future EVs. No you wont until you can't get an petrol one. But eventually you'll be dragged kicking and screaming into the future. Oh and you don't need to rely on me, there's just loads of information out there when you want to stop kidding yourself that you know best without bothering to research it. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 18:02:24 GMT
That does not tell me how much power supply you need to charge a battery in 5 minutes. No, but its hard to deny its true when you can see them on the wall. Just because you don't understand how its done doesn't make it untrue. According to the article they can run off a standard building supply, they are also bi-directional which means they can give power back to the building at times of peak demand. This is why I guess they are batteries themselves that pre-charge between car visits. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 18:02:48 GMT
Indeed but no one bought a Nokia because someone told them that IPhones will be great . I wouldn’t buy an EV today because a Hybrid owner told me about future EVs. No you wont until you can't get an petrol one. But eventually you'll be dragged kicking and screaming into the future. Oh and you don't need to rely on me, there's just loads of information out there when you want to stop kidding yourself that you know best without bothering to research it. No ..the option of purchasing a new ICE vehicle will be denied. As a net zero nut , you probably aren’t able to differentiate. Your second sentence as as much as a case of projection as anything Ctoo has ever posted . |
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