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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 18:04:38 GMT
That does not tell me how much power supply you need to charge a battery in 5 minutes. No, but its hard to deny its true when you can see them on the wall. Just because you don't understand how its done doesn't make it untrue. According to the article they can run off a standard building supply, they are also bi-directional which means they can give power back to the building at times of peak demand. This is why I guess they are batteries themselves that pre-charge between car visits. Or.. you could buy a petrol car and take a short drive to the petrol station. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 18:04:58 GMT
I very much doubt you are correct. Not correct about what? This The point was made that in order for it to charge at that rate it has to be charged at that rate - hence you hit the next problem in the chain of problems. Read my answer above to Pacifico. Doesn't all this nay saying without and research bring you down? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 18:09:04 GMT
No you wont until you can't get an petrol one. But eventually you'll be dragged kicking and screaming into the future. Oh and you don't need to rely on me, there's just loads of information out there when you want to stop kidding yourself that you know best without bothering to research it. No ..the option of purchasing a new ICE vehicle will be denied. As a net zero nut , you probably aren’t able to differentiate. Your second sentence as as much as a case of projection as anything Ctoo has ever posted . Yep that's what I meant. How could you know, you never read any article posted. Have you read the latest one? No of course you haven't, have you looked for any articles disputing the claims, no of course you haven't. You prefer your ignorance and live among a small group who scoff and do the same. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 18:10:24 GMT
No, but its hard to deny its true when you can see them on the wall. Just because you don't understand how its done doesn't make it untrue. According to the article they can run off a standard building supply, they are also bi-directional which means they can give power back to the building at times of peak demand. This is why I guess they are batteries themselves that pre-charge between car visits. Or.. you could buy a petrol car and take a short drive to the petrol station. Yes you can. The problems are being solved for the forward thinking people, we understand the Luddites don't want new. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 18:13:08 GMT
No ..the option of purchasing a new ICE vehicle will be denied. As a net zero nut , you probably aren’t able to differentiate. Your second sentence as as much as a case of projection as anything Ctoo has ever posted . Yep that's what I meant. How could you know, you never read any article posted. Have you read the latest one? No of course you haven't, have you looked for any articles disputing the claims, no of course you haven't. You prefer your ignorance and live among a small group who scoff and do the same. I don’t need to indulge in your speculation and bullshit. I merely look at what EVs are available and make my mind up . My comparisons are about what EVs are now whereas you tie yourself up in knots trying to sell EVs with what you think will be available one day. I work smart , you fall over your own arguments . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 18:15:13 GMT
Or.. you could buy a petrol car and take a short drive to the petrol station. Yes you can. The problems are being solved for the forward thinking people, we understand the Luddites don't want new. The forward looking people look for the most effective and convenient option . The virtue signallers want to force others to choose the least convenient option to make themselves feel good. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 18:27:29 GMT
Yep that's what I meant. How could you know, you never read any article posted. Have you read the latest one? No of course you haven't, have you looked for any articles disputing the claims, no of course you haven't. You prefer your ignorance and live among a small group who scoff and do the same. I don’t need to indulge in your speculation and bullshit. I merely look at what EVs are available and make my mind up . My comparisons are about what EVs are now whereas you tie yourself up in knots trying to sell EVs with what you think will be available one day. I work smart , you fall over your own arguments . Yep. as you say you are a luddite, always behind the curve. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 18:29:48 GMT
Yes you can. The problems are being solved for the forward thinking people, we understand the Luddites don't want new. The forward looking people look for the most effective and convenient option . The virtue signallers want to force others to choose the least convenient option to make themselves feel good. Rinse repeat. Dull boring post. Doesn't change the science or the break throughs. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 18:33:40 GMT
I don’t need to indulge in your speculation and bullshit. I merely look at what EVs are available and make my mind up . My comparisons are about what EVs are now whereas you tie yourself up in knots trying to sell EVs with what you think will be available one day. I work smart , you fall over your own arguments . Yep. as you say you are a luddite, always behind the curve. The drain of a Luddite isn’t one so naive as to by an EV today because a net zero nut job reckons they will be great in the future . Being behind the curve is to pontificate about EVs and buy a hybrid . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 18:36:15 GMT
The forward looking people look for the most effective and convenient option . The virtue signallers want to force others to choose the least convenient option to make themselves feel good. Rinse repeat. Dull boring post. Doesn't change the science or the break throughs. Break throughs are useless until the aforesaid break through is apparent and available. Until then they are just empty promises and net zero nut pipe dreams . |
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Post by Orac on Nov 12, 2024 18:50:38 GMT
This The point was made that in order for it to charge at that rate it has to be charged at that rate - hence you hit the next problem in the chain of problems. Read my answer above to Pacifico. Rather than going around in circles, could you instead point out which of my two statements was incorrect? |
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Post by Orac on Nov 12, 2024 18:56:44 GMT
That does not tell me how much power supply you need to charge a battery in 5 minutes. No, but its hard to deny its true when you can see them on the wall. It is reasonably easy. As I pointed out, this happens every few months. Every few months we are presented with incontrovertible proof that some significant part of the problem is solved..only for this to turn out not to be the case. The second level of the problem is a bit trickier, so i can entirely understand why you are avoiding it entirely. |
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Post by honestjohn on Nov 12, 2024 20:50:16 GMT
That does not tell me how much power supply you need to charge a battery in 5 minutes. It's easy. Say it's a 75kWh battery, that would require 15kW charging at 100% efficiency, drawing more than 60 Amps from a 230v supply for 5 minutes. This is more than the standard house supply which is 60 Amps. There are no magic chargers, which I assume is your point, Pacifico. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 12, 2024 22:06:00 GMT
That does not tell me how much power supply you need to charge a battery in 5 minutes. It's easy. Say it's a 75kWh battery, that would require 15kW charging at 100% efficiency, drawing more than 60 Amps from a 230v supply for 5 minutes. This is more than the standard house supply which is 60 Amps. There are no magic chargers, which I assume is your point, Pacifico. Join, I think you did the maths upside down a 75kwh battery would need a 0.9 Megawatt (75K*12) supply to fully recharge in 5 minutes it's about 4000 amps at 230v |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 12, 2024 22:20:21 GMT
That does not tell me how much power supply you need to charge a battery in 5 minutes. No, but its hard to deny its true when you can see them on the wall. Just because you don't understand how its done doesn't make it untrue. According to the article they can run off a standard building supply, they are also bi-directional which means they can give power back to the building at times of peak demand. This is why I guess they are batteries themselves that pre-charge between car visits. Well the lack of detail in the article is what makes it suspicious - where is this building, how big is it, what power supply does it have, what models of car are they recharging in 5 minutes, etc etc It's all too vague to believe |
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