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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 12, 2024 10:16:12 GMT
No one will believe you until they are here Baron, just as they wouldn't believe the 200 mile, the 250 mile, the 300 mile battery. Or the 30 minute, the 20 minute, the 10 minute charging. We have seen this all before. There is usually one of these claims every four months or so. CATL is not "one of these". |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 10:16:46 GMT
Personally I have no problem with anyone buying an EV . Why should I ? I have no problem with anyone enjoying their EV and telling everyone how happy it makes them . Why should I? WhatI do have a problem with is net zero nuts pretending that EVs are far better than what they are l They lack range ( the £110k EV zany mentioned has less range than my Hyundai). Their drivers are susceptible to range anxiety ( I’m not). ..add that to the fact that some owners might never be able charge them from home They are comparatively expensive to buy and insure , They don’t last as long as ICE vehicles . All the above is true . The “ let them eat cake “ net zero nuts pretend that that they are not but they patently are . From citing highly expensive cars to future speculation right up to sheer bollocks ..none of the EV fanboys have proven otherwise . Yes Bentley we've been here. You keep telling EV owners that their cars are no good, for various reasons. They fight back. All you have left now is 1, You can do more miles between filling up, which makes your Hyundai better than most Maserati's. Because obviously that's the most important thing in an ICE car. 2, You'd struggle to charge your EV if you live in a flat, actually you'd have to go to a charge point for 30 minutes All your other put downs about peoples EV's have been dealt with or are being dealt with. I haven't once said ICE cars are crap. Net zero nuts are not nuts, they are just people concerned about global pollution. (More insults from you and yours) And there goes the “ let the eat cake “ net zero nut comparing a Maserati to a Hyundai . Another straw man . All my ‘ put downs ‘ about EVs haven’t been dealt with by you. Thats why you need to use £110000 cars to compare with standard ICE cars and that’s why you dodged buying an EV and went for the hybrid . ICE cars have a higher range, are faster to refuel, last longer , are cheaper to buy and insure than EVs ..the only reason to buy an EV is indulgence ..a message to the world that you ‘care’ ever so much . If you don’t care that much but want others to think you do then you buy a hybrid . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 10:22:57 GMT
I think it is more a case that in terms of convenience and cost is that EVs cannot currently come anywhere near matching ICE vehicles for the ordinary man in the street. EVs can be specific town cars and meet a need but in terms of overall convenience a car for town and sometimes numerous and sudden long distance travel ICE cars meet that need admirably. Naah, not now they do around 300 miles a pop. That makes them good for 95% of drivers. Then you look at the savings in running costs, the acceleration, the charging convenience of charging at home. The lack of pollution in traffic. All the good stuff you keep forgetting to mention But 95% of drivers don’t seem to be buying them ( including you )and if they did then there wouldn’t be enough chargers for them . You need to accept that most people know that ICE cars are more convenient and cheaper . You will feel much better when you do. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 12, 2024 10:30:51 GMT
We have seen this all before. There is usually one of these claims every four months or so. CATL is not "one of these". These promises are all the same Baron and never enter service.. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 12, 2024 10:54:09 GMT
CATL is not "one of these". These promises are all the same Baron and never enter service.. No they are not. The lies you hear regularly are from those who are trying to play the stock market with IPOs. There is a subgroup of investor who is impressed with fancy words and childish Americans. We saw it with the dot com scam circa 2000 and of course we see it with battery technology, fusion energy and a whole load of other stuff that are today's buzzwords.
CATL is a Chinese firm though. People on here should get to know the Chinese a bit better. If they say they will get it done by a certain date you will normally find they get it done faster. It is what we lost in this country. It is called honesty. Solid State will be in mass production by CATL before 2027 sees the year out. Now if you want to bet agaisnt that, then by all means, but making bad judgements is the easiest way to lose your investment money. The game so far is 20Ah batteries are already working over at CATL. They are now in the process of setting up mass production.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 12, 2024 10:57:56 GMT
These promises are all the same Baron and never enter service.. No they are not. The lies you hear regularly are from those who are trying to play the stock market with IPOs. There is a subgroup of investor who is impressed with fancy words and childish Americans. We saw it with the dot com scam circa 2000 and of course we see it with battery technology, fusion energy and a whole load of other stuff that are today's buzzwords.
CATL is a Chinese firm though. People on here should get to know the Chinese a bit better. If they say they will get it done by a certain date you will normally find they get it done faster. It is what we lost in this country. It is called honesty. Solid State will be in mass production by CATL before 2027 sees the year out. Now if you want to bet agaisnt that, then by all means, but making bad judgements is the easiest way to lose your investment money. The game so far is 20Ah batteries are already working over at CATL. They are now in the process of setting up mass production.
These promises of better batteries come out as regular as clockwork. They are blown out of all proportion and never replace what we already have and are just pie in the sky. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 11:09:18 GMT
Come back when we can buy the Chinese super duper batteries . Until then it’s nothing more than promises and speculation.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 12, 2024 11:22:31 GMT
CATL have announced mass production of solid state batteries in 2027. The spec is 500Wh/kg, which is 3x the ones used in most cars now and they will charge in 5 minutes.
From where? - a 50kW fast charger? Sounds like you are trying to rewrite physics. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 12, 2024 13:17:39 GMT
Oil, Gas, Coal and others similar, are organic and natural; they have very many uses - one being as fuel, as energy. The UK has much of these natural, organic resources 'under our feet' or near-by below the sea bed. We should be using them for our own betterment and security. Technology has moved on and so has the methods of harnessing clean energy. Starmer, Milliband and those on the Net Zero band wagon are there for the benefit of others, donors and their own.Oil and gas is a 'gift from God', Azerbaijan tells Keir Starmer and the Taliban as thinly attended COP26 climate summit descends into farce... while PM commits to 81% cut in emissions.... Starmer committed the UK to a massive cut in carbon emissions at the COP29 summit today - despite the host hailing oil and gas as a 'gift from God'. The PM has confirmed the eye-watering target of slashing 81 per cent off emissions by 2035, compared to 1990 levels. He used a press conference in Baku to deny he will need to tell Brits 'how to live' in order to meet the ambitious goal. But the gathering, snubbed by many world leaders but attended by the Taliban, is at risk of descending into chaos after the Azerbaijan president Ilham Aliyev insisted countries should not be embarrassed about selling fossil fuels. In his opening address, Mr Aliyev hit out at 'unfortunately double standards, a habit to lecture other countries and political hypocrisy' from the West. Arguing that natural resources were a 'gift from God' just like other natural resources, he said: 'Countries should not be blamed for having them and should not be blamed for bringing these resources to the market because the market needs them.' Sir Keir is one of the only premiers from the wealthiest nations in Azerbaijan for the annual gathering, although the Taliban has sent a representative. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14072285/Oil-gas-gift-God-Azerbaijan-tells-Keir-Starmer-Taliban-thinly-attended-COP26-climate-summit-descends-farce-PM-commits-81-cut-emissions.html
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Post by thomas on Nov 12, 2024 14:15:30 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 17:22:01 GMT
No one will believe you until they are here Baron, just as they wouldn't believe the 200 mile, the 250 mile, the 300 mile battery. Or the 30 minute, the 20 minute, the 10 minute charging. We have seen this all before. There is usually one of these claims every four months or so. Said they wont believe you. Yet cars keep getting better, cheaper, more distance, faster charging. We've seen it all before.  |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 17:36:36 GMT
Naah, not now they do around 300 miles a pop. That makes them good for 95% of drivers. Then you look at the savings in running costs, the acceleration, the charging convenience of charging at home. The lack of pollution in traffic. All the good stuff you keep forgetting to mention But 95% of drivers don’t seem to be buying them ( including you )and if they did then there wouldn’t be enough chargers for them . You need to accept that most people know that ICE cars are more convenient and cheaper . You will feel much better when you do. I drive a hybrid and you know why. Assuming you remember. Covid and the cost of living crises have caused a problem as EV's are an expensive buy with a long term payback. Chargers are rolling out much faster now and more intelligent charging. And of course with longer range most people who charge at home will never use them.  And sales  A way to go yet, but still growing fairly strongly. 18% of new car sales were EV in 2024. As you say not there yet. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 17:40:22 GMT
But 95% of drivers don’t seem to be buying them ( including you )and if they did then there wouldn’t be enough chargers for them . You need to accept that most people know that ICE cars are more convenient and cheaper . You will feel much better when you do. I drive a hybrid and you know why. Assuming you remember. Covid and the cost of living crises have caused a problem as EV's are an expensive buy with a long term payback. Chargers are rolling out much faster now and more intelligent charging. And of course with longer range most people who charge at home will never use them. And sales A way to go yet, but still growing fairly strongly. 18% of new car sales were EV in 2024. As you say not there yet. Yes Zany , there is a long way to go before EVs are a better buy than ICE vehicles. Which is the whole point . |
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Post by Orac on Nov 12, 2024 17:41:32 GMT
We have seen this all before. There is usually one of these claims every four months or so. Said they wont believe you. Yet cars keep getting better, cheaper, more distance, faster charging. We've seen it all before. If it all comes down to belief for you, then some people's point is made. We see an endless stream of claims about a killer battery tech that significantly solves the problem, but so far, none have panned out. This is most likely more of the same. My own view is there are good reasons why battery tech is unlikely to get significantly better than it is now (in any foreseeable future). I could be wrong, but only because just about any claim about the future can be wrong. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 17:42:19 GMT
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